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Author Topic:   Do creationists try to find and study fossils?
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Message 10 of 182 (697830)
04-30-2013 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by petrophysics1
04-30-2013 10:53 AM


Re: Info on fossil collecting on gov't land
So it's going to be rather hard for an unqualified person to do origional research.
Creationists claim that scientists are leaving old earth geology and evolution in droves, so surely their ranks have swelled with paleontologists who have the experience and education to easily acquire a dig permit. If they can build a 25 million dollar Creation Museum, and are working on an even larger Ark park, then surely they can divert a few of those dollars to fund a few of those hundreds of creationist paleontologists.

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Message 26 of 182 (698004)
05-02-2013 12:37 PM
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05-02-2013 2:43 AM


Re: Info on fossil collecting on gov't land
Again, the prodigious numbers of fossils is itself evidence for the Flood and the Karoo therefore has lots of evidence for it.
We should find just the opposite in a flood. We should find very few fossils in such a massive geologic formation that was made in a single year. You need to get a handle on what the biomass of an ecosystem really is. To produce as many fossils as is found in the Karoo formation it would require an ecosystem where animals are literally stacked on top of one another.
I think this is just another example of creationists not thinking things through.

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Message 41 of 182 (698044)
05-02-2013 4:54 PM
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05-02-2013 3:00 PM


Re: Info on fossil collecting on gov't land
The piling of animals on top of one another is EXACTLY what the Flood would have done . . .
I seriously don't think you have a handle on just how many fossils there are in the Karroo formation.
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Whitcomb and Morris cite with approval a paleontologist who estimates that the Karroo Formation of southern Africa is believed to contain 800 billion fossil vertebrates with an average size of the fox.38 There are 126 billion acres on the surface of the earth. Only 30 percent of this area is land, giving a land area of 38 billion acres. If 800 billion animals were spread over the 38 billion available acres, there would be 21 animals with an average size of a fox, per acre, from this deposit alone.
http://glennmortonspages.wikispaces.com/...or+a+Global+Flood
That is just ONE DEPOSIT, and it requires 21 animals the size of a fox per acre across the whole globe just to account for one deposit. There are still thousands of other deposits that still need fossils.
In fact it is the usual example of anti-creationists not thinking things through.
Obviously, we have. We have done the math. It doesn't add up.

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Message 48 of 182 (698052)
05-02-2013 6:29 PM
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05-02-2013 5:48 PM


Re: Info on fossil collecting on gov't land
I skimmed the article just now and I don't see where he mentions sea creatures in his discussion of the vertebrates in the Karoo so I still have my question.
He discusses several different geologic formations. Seriously, reading comprehension is important.
"The Mission Canyon formation in the northwestern United States is part of a truly remarkable deposit."
The Mission Canyon formation in the NW US is NOT the Karroo formation found in Africa. But thanks for bringing up the crinoids. Yet another nail in the coffin for flood geology.

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Message 49 of 182 (698053)
05-02-2013 6:32 PM
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05-02-2013 5:01 PM


Re: Info on fossil collecting on gov't land
I believe your post is misleading. As I understand it, the fossils in the Karoo are mostly if not exclusively of aquatic creatures, not land creatures, so that the land estimates given by Morton are irrelevant.
"The supergroup consists of a sequence of units, mostly of nonmarine origin, deposited between the Late Carboniferous and Early Jurassic, a period of about 120 million years."
Karoo Supergroup - Wikipedia
Seriously, a 10 second google search and I found that quote. At least try to make accurate statements. It won't hurt you.

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Message 62 of 182 (698154)
05-03-2013 11:38 AM
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05-02-2013 11:32 PM


Re: Info on fossil collecting on gov't land
Yes he discusses the crinoids from many locations, but what seems strange is his thinking of them as "covering the earth" before the Flood. Wouldn't they have been in the ocean? They are sea creatures, right?
What he was saying is that if we took the volume of crinoid parts found in that single geologic formation it would cover the entire globe in 1/4 of an inch in crinoid plates. That's how many animal fossils are found in that single formation. The author is showing that it is ridiculous to claim that this single formation could have been created from a single flood given the volume of animals it took to create that single formation. Can I stress again how this is just one geologic formation out of thousands?
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Message 64 of 182 (698180)
05-03-2013 3:55 PM
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05-03-2013 3:10 PM


Re: A failure of reading comprehension
So the entire planet would be covered to a depth of 1/20,000 miles - not a quarter of an inch. A quarter of a foot
So now we have 30 or so fox sized animals per acre needed to create the Karroo formation, and it looks like they need to be walking around on top of a 3 inches of crinoids wherever they go.
The problems keep stacking up for flood geology.

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Message 161 of 182 (698391)
05-06-2013 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Faith
05-06-2013 9:37 AM


Re: Steve Austin Nautiloid Article
No, I'm not saying I'm not going to participate, more that I got pulled into it in spite of myself. I'm trying to watch the Garner video despite a lot of distractions and should soon be able to present SOMETHING about Austin's work on the nautiloids.
We are hoping for something like a scientific paper with an introduction, methodologies, results, and discussion section. This is the type of paper that scientists write when they communicate their findings.

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