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Author Topic:   Fundamentalism versus Critical Thinking
ReverendDG
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Message 64 of 159 (386498)
02-22-2007 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
02-21-2007 2:19 PM


Re: Follow Blindly
I don't see people lining up to believe in Santa Claus or the big white rabbit in Harvey. Evidently, there must be some sort of internal reason why people accept Jesus Christ. To say that there is no empirical evidence is correct, but to imply that people stumble into faith with absolutely no evidence is just your own beliefs talking.
most people are born into it, are you talking about those who come into belief later in life?
i'd say they have a wish to believe, a belief not based on thought, but a belief based on want and fear of death or desire for something to believe in.
if anything jesus brought a good message and the fellowship of other christians is nice
what evidence do you mean phat? the existance of people and places in the bible?
you do know you can't argue that because somewhere or someone is found to have existed that everything about them is true
IMO criticaly thinking about beliefs and the bible itself, fundie or not will break down your belief, theres too much cognitive dissesense to make it all work as many people are taught to believe

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ReverendDG
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Message 65 of 159 (386500)
02-22-2007 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by bluegenes
02-22-2007 1:46 AM


Re: Kudos on quality of discussion
Mainly, Minnemooseus, I wanted to make the controversial claim that critical thinking in relation to religion, fundamentalist or otherwise, should lead to weak atheism or agnosticism, and see what reactions that would bring.
i agree with this, in all honesty, if you really do think about it, what makes one religion right over another? why is christianity right over say islam?
they both make claims of authority, but neither can be shown to be positivly right on everything.
i know many people make the argument that the bible gives "prophecies" that have been shown to have happened.
the problem is so has all the other ones, and none of them have been right, unless you say twist the wording to mean what you want it to
inconsistenticy is really what makes me skeptical of any religious text, the fact that most of the followers try to construct a mythology that isn't even part of the book makes me question the people even understand their own beliefs

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ReverendDG
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Message 122 of 159 (387087)
02-26-2007 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by anastasia
02-24-2007 12:39 PM


Re: The positive truth claim
To say religion is a man made concept seems critical, but it is 100% belief. There is the possibility that all religions have man-made concepts, that one religion is completely inspired, or that all religions are completely inspired by God to fill the people's need. To be critical, you need not deny the possibility of anything being true, but only to be aware of the other possibilities.
they are man-made concepts, everything about religion has to do with man, a being of infinite power would not allow people to enslave his children or let them murder each other or make laws allowing killing if you break a law
what you are arguing isn't really critical thinking, its more like you are arguing that because we don't know all possiblities that the ones we do know are irrelevent and we shouldn't trust them
the thing is all religions are made from our standpoint not gods, man worships gods, so yes not only are religions man-made but the concept of worshiping a higher being is purely a man-made concept, didn't your god create us to choose? well we don't have to believe in anything or anyone.. its a choice
That does not and should not detract from or change the possible validity of the religion.
but theres nothing that shows any religion is right, all the books, beliefs and everything else doesn't show them right.

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