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Fundamentalism versus Critical Thinking

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Granny Magda
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10-15-2008 12:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 144 by Phat
10-15-2008 11:49 AM

Re: Lets Get Critical
Phat writes:
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Brian writes:
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Just look at how many millions have been persecuted because Christians think that the resurrection myth was actually a real event.
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I don't necessarily see a direct cause/effect relationship here.
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With respect Phat, that may be because you are not Jewish and have never had a Christian lynch mob at your door, baying for your blood. A great many Jews through history have not been so lucky. The Christian characterisation of Jews as Christ-killers has caused a lot of blood to be spilled over the centuries. Those who seek to justify anti-Semitism with the Bible usually believe it to represent very real events. It's much harder to justify pogroms on the basis of a myth.
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People would be persecuted regardless. Thats just how human nature ends up.
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You're probably right, but I can't help feeling that you are being defeatist here. The underlying causes of prejudice and hostility need to be confronted. Belief that the Bible myths are historical has, in this case, been a cause of anti-Semitism and to some extent still is.
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Mutate and Survive
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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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Granny Magda
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10-20-2008 8:25 AM 		Reply to: Message 146 by Phat
10-20-2008 5:42 AM

Re: Lets Get Critical
The fact that Jesus once lived is hardly in dispute.
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Except it is. The Jesus Myth Hypothesis has never been overwhelmingly popular amongst scholars, but it still has it's adherents and makes a reasonable case. The evidence for Jesus' existence is scant outside of scripture.
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To me it seems that the Jesus depicted in the Bible is essentially a fictional character, even if he was based upon a real person. The New Testament is just too unbelievable and inconsistent to be believed.
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The belief that He rose from the dead has as much historical evidence as not.
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I'm not sure what you mean here. As far as I know, the only evidence for the resurrection is contained in the Bible.
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Many of the problems in modern Christian thought stem from rigid fundamentalist beliefs and exclusivist thinking.
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One example is the fact that most of the Christians at my church are, unfortunately, Republicans. I try and explain to them that were Jesus here with us today, He most likely would be much more of a socialist than a market capitalist!
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Well here we are in total agreement. The blurring of the line between politics and religion in the US is quite disturbing from the perspective of a UK sceptic. The sight of a preacher bellowing "YOU BETTER VOTE FOR JESUS CHRIST!" from his pulpit is more than a little bit scary (I had no idea he was running...). From my reading of the NT, I think that Jesus would be pretty vexed with most political parties.
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Mutate and Survive.
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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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