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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
djufo
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Message 100 of 2241 (737959)
10-02-2014 8:15 PM


The bible is the composition of ancient texts translated by modern men and perhaps with errors. Many ancient texts were left outside of the bible. As far as what the Bible says, yes, is the word of the Gods. Ancient scribes serving for them were instructed to write in clay tablets.

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djufo
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Message 102 of 2241 (738033)
10-04-2014 11:25 AM
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10-03-2014 2:57 PM


Re: All in the same boat
"believe" is the key word you have used. To Believe or to not Believe, is directly related to ignorance. Lack of knowledge. You either know or do not know to make a point.

The ancient texts were never written in "belief". The were written in knowledge of what was going on in those days which by the way, were bizarre times. Unimaginable and incomprehensible for the vast majority of average mortals. Hence the "disbelief"


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djufo
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Message 104 of 2241 (738057)
10-04-2014 3:21 PM
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10-04-2014 11:52 AM


Re: All in the same boat
Based on your logic, perhaps then there was a global conspiracy thousands of years ago to write the same fictional story all over the world. The mayans depicted the same deities depicted in mesopotamia, as the ones in ancient India and Peru. What technology they used to communicate and create this story to later confuse humans? thats a total mystery.

Also based on your logic, why should we believe that Washington and the founding fathers really existed? yes theres a bunch of people who would say "I'm a direct descendant" how can they prove that and why should I believe it? just because everybody believes the story means is truth and I am forced to believe it too?

Bottom line, why in the world ancients civilizations would base their existence in writing our origins the best they could to pass it onto us other than the truth?


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djufo
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Message 106 of 2241 (738086)
10-04-2014 5:50 PM
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10-04-2014 5:36 PM


Re: All in the same boat
Absolutely. I am not going to name them all because it would take me hours but for example the Aztecs main Deity was Quetzalcoatl, which was the same God know to the Mayans as Kukulkan. The "plummed serpent" God. The same God was know to the Incas as Viracocha. In the three civilizations the story is the same. This God comes here, creates their cities, teaches them writing, language, mathematics, farming, instruct them to dig gold for him, then leaves with the promise of returning some day. In the middle east, the ancient civilizations tells us the story of the God who traveled to the American continent to raise new civilizations of humans to dig the needed gold. His name, Ningishizidda. And expert in spiritual manipulation. With the power of reincarnation, resurrection, and known to be able to walk on water. The same God known at Toth for the Egiptians, responsible for planning Pyramids. Hence Pyramids in America, Egypt and other sites of the world.

That is the example of just one of them. One God from the Pantheon ruling earth in those days.


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djufo
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Message 107 of 2241 (738087)
10-04-2014 5:57 PM
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10-04-2014 5:36 PM


Re: All in the same boat
I'm sorry forgot to mention this relates to the topic of the bible, because many raise the point that the bible might be science fiction. Just fantastic stories written thousands of years ago. But the fact that multiple ancient civilizations around the world tell you the same stories. Creation, flood, people coming from the heavens, pyramids, is no coincidence. Specially when they talk about the same beings.

Modern bible is based on all those writings. Even the Bible has multiple Deities. At the very beginning it starts with "let US create humans in OUR image, after OUR own likeness" They were Elohim (plural for God) Singular for God is Eloha.


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djufo
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Message 120 of 2241 (738327)
10-08-2014 11:06 PM


Nonukes and Percy, you guys need to know first that I am not a creationist, nor an evolutionist. Both "radical extremes" are wrong. The theory of human evolution is just a cheap joke, absolutely gross at its best. The mainstream "creationist" view based on christian religion is wrong too. I was of course raised in a culture of an almighty omnipotent God that nobody ever tells you who he is or was, where he came from, why we created us. Basically the popular "notion" is that God is a powerful light sitting on top of a white cloud with a magic wand creating universes and humans because he doesn't have anything else to do in life.

Christianity monoteist was invented by constantine in the 5th century AD. There were before christian pagans, unorganized and prosecuted. But as their numbers grew, constantine saw the opportunity to organize this pagan religion, make it the official religion of the empire and therefore have absolute power. Virtually the representative of God on earth. The Roman empire confiscated all the documents available at that time, and through multiple councils, they decided what texts where going to be used and which were not. At their own convenience. They eliminated politeism, and forced everybody to worship only one. They left outside for example The book of Enoch. I invite everybody to read the translation. The book of Enoch not only confirms the writing of other biblical texts, but it goes deeper in extreme detail about the bizarre events happening on earth in those days.

Going back to topic, yes, the deity for Mayans and Aztec is more like a plummed serpent while for Incas is more like a human looking. Well, all these Gods are human looking. They look just like us. That's why the bible starts saying "let us create humans in our image after our own likeness" According to ancient civilizations, these beings are white skin, long white hair and beards. The "plummed serpent" name, of course sounds mythical and fictional. But remember one thing. If these beings really existed, and were traveling from one continent to other, and from earth to orbit back and forth, they HAVE to be wearing some sort of special suits and helmets that is inconceivable for us to understand or imagine. Now imagine a 2,000-3,000 year old human how ion the world would understand, even worst explain what he was seeing. An ancient human will try to exemplify it with the closest thing known to him. In this case, a serpent head with a plummed body.

Percy, yes all the ancient texts contradict the belief of modern Christian religion for the same reason stated before that Christian religion was an invention by man. It is not the truth. Or at least, not the whole clear picture. Just part of it is used and by the way was imposed by the sword to create some sort of control on the society and power for authorities.


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djufo
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Message 121 of 2241 (738329)
10-08-2014 11:11 PM


Ringo, although defective, your logic is on the right path. You're right when you say that nobody has the truth. Base on that principle, you put on the table all the different possibilities and modern streams, and see which one makes more sense. Then you start researching and studying that one.

  
djufo
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Message 135 of 2241 (738368)
10-09-2014 12:45 PM


The confusion comes again from lack of information. You guys are basing your conclusions and guesses on religion. You're not going to find anything there. To picture you how vague just the bible is, imagine I sumarize for you the whole Star Wars saga in one piece of paper. Will you understand the whole movie? No. You won't have an idea of what a hell I'm talking about. Same happens with religion. The bible is a few hundred pages summarizing thousands and thousand of years of history. Or perhaps even billions of years because the genesis includes the formation of the solar system that in reality comes from the Babylonian tablets enuma elish or 7 tablets of creation which explain the cosmic collision that have birth to the present earth.

In the case of God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that God name is Enki. His son, ningizhida, expert in spiritual manipulation, reincarnation, resurrection, was artificially inseminated in a female human. Known as Mary in history. Jesus, is ninghizida. Toth for Egyptians, Hermes for Greeks, Quetzalcoatl for Aztecs, kukulcan for Mayans. Same deities, different names.
Jesus was the last attempt by them to change the course of human civilization. Although Jesus succeeded to some degree, he was brutally assassinated by humans, but of course rescued and resurrected.


  
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