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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
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Message 24 of 2241 (700172)
05-30-2013 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 5:55 PM


Re: your choice
Yup, the "Kiss Hank's Ass" brand of Christianity. Keep marketing that travesty.

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Message 90 of 2241 (701786)
06-26-2013 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Ossat
06-26-2013 4:56 AM


Speaking as a Christian
Ossat writes:

The geological record is more related to the universal flood described in Genesis than the idea of the old earth.

Sorry but that is simply a false assertion. There has never been anything like the Biblical floods stories found in Genesis during the period when modern man existed. The Biblical flood never happened and has been totally refuted not just by geology but also genetics, physics, chemistry, all areas of science.

Ossat writes:

Prophecies in Daniel and Revelation seem to be taking place today....

Again, speaking as one Christian to another, that is simply false. If you wish pick a prophecy and we will be happy to discuss it.


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Message 113 of 2241 (738160)
10-05-2014 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by NoNukes
10-05-2014 12:35 PM


Re: All in the same boat
On the other hand, the God in the Bible is not described as teaching technology and arts, or creating cities. He is described as destroying all of those things once.

Actually in the Bible the God is described as destroying cities far more than just once. It seems to have been a pretty common form of entertainment with lots of options; floods, shakes, frogs. fire from the sky, kill off the kids and cattle, turn water into blood, send locusts ...


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Message 117 of 2241 (738170)
10-05-2014 3:56 PM


Inerrant?
You would think that if the Bible actually was the inerrant word of God there would at least be one universal list of what books would be included.

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Message 161 of 2241 (738441)
10-10-2014 4:44 PM
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10-10-2014 4:12 PM


Re: 3 in one
See. all that is simply utter nonsense.

Your mistake is trying to pretend that the concept of the Trinity makes any sense or could ever be considered as reasonable or logical.

It can't.

What you need to do is simply admit it is nonsense but that it is also an article of belief. Trying to explain it just makes folk laugh.


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Message 164 of 2241 (738448)
10-10-2014 6:04 PM
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10-10-2014 4:47 PM


Re: 3 in one
What makes you think I have not Faith? It is one of the best examples of using the Bible to create a new dogma by taking passages out of context and misrepresenting their context.

I happen to subscribe to the dogma as out lined in the Nicene Creed but I do not pretend that it is reasonable, logical, rational or understandable.

It is an Article of Faith.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 165 of 2241 (738453)
10-10-2014 6:35 PM
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10-10-2014 5:43 PM


Re: 3 in one
However, God went further than that and gave Jesus was dominion over creation as per Daniel 7.

How can you get any reference to Jesus from Daniel 7 without totally taking material out of context and adding stuff not found there?


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Message 169 of 2241 (738457)
10-10-2014 7:36 PM
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10-10-2014 7:07 PM


Re: 3 in one
But where is there any indication that the author of Daniel had any intention of referring to Jesus? There is little doubt that later authors picked pieces out of context and inserted them into what they wrote Jesus said or did.

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Message 178 of 2241 (738468)
10-10-2014 8:53 PM
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10-10-2014 8:32 PM


Re: 3 in one
But can you present any argument that can make the Trinity concept look reasonable, logical, rational or understandable?

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Message 180 of 2241 (738470)
10-10-2014 8:59 PM
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10-10-2014 8:56 PM


Re: 3 in one
I don't reject Bible verses; I just point out that the way people use them does not lead to something reasonable, logical understandable or rational.

Now would you like to try to present a reasonable, logical, rational and understandable explanation of the concept of Trinity?


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Message 187 of 2241 (738478)
10-10-2014 9:44 PM
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10-10-2014 9:35 PM


Re: 3 in one
The verses are THERE, they hold together, here's no way any of that could have been made up.

The verses are there but they are not together; they are each taken out of context to support an extra biblical bit or dogma.


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Message 200 of 2241 (738497)
10-11-2014 9:32 AM
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10-11-2014 3:37 AM


I feel like pleading with you both to rethink what you are saying because it's scary you could think such a conspiracy could be the history of the Church, it's like seeing people turn reality inside out and backwards, and of course you think that's what I'm doing.

But the history of the Church is of groups of people deciding what will be accepted as dogma, finding support for that position and then declaring the other side as heretics.

It has happened repeatedly and continues right down to this day.

You have called me a heretic and call the Roman Catholic Church not just heretical but headed by the anti-Christ.

That is a great example.

That is reality and to deny that is just plain silly.


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Message 206 of 2241 (738510)
10-11-2014 12:37 PM
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10-11-2014 11:58 AM


Re: 3 in one
For whatever reason, this God appears to have made you a contrarian who questions not only God but human logic, reason, and belief.

Where is the logic and reason when it comes to beliefs like the Trinity? Did you actually look at the diagram you posted?


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Message 209 of 2241 (738515)
10-11-2014 1:13 PM
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10-11-2014 12:47 PM


Re: 3 in one
It is certainly not reasonable or logical or even very revealing.

Try substituting colors. Start with Red is red.


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Message 221 of 2241 (738531)
10-11-2014 2:48 PM
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10-11-2014 2:19 PM


Truth?
The reality is that honest God-fearing men who knew the Bible better than most had a fine sense of its truth and therefore of anything that contradicted its truth, argued for its truth against the false ideas, the truth became dogma and the false ideas were branded correctly as heresy.

HUH?

You have any support for that other than the fact that they won?

The goal was and has always been political; our faction is right and your faction are just heretics.

The Roman Catholic Church, however, rose to power (which in itself shows it is not a Christian institution since worldly power is contrary to the spirit of Christ) without being challenged except by outsider groups, which the RCC periodically slaughtered, for about a millennium, and then the Reformers came along who eventually recognized its false doctrines and its character as Antichrist. It's unfortunate that in the last century their understanding was suppressed.

More utter bullshit.

A main purpose of the Authorized King James Bible somewhat more than a century ago was to put aside the nonsense of the Pope as anti-Christ.

AbE:

And remember. The concept of the Trinity predated the Bible. The Nicene Creed is a great example. And there is still no such thing as "The Bible™"

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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