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Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?

deerbreh

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Message 595 of 2241 (740506)
11-05-2014 1:38 PM

Reply to: Message 593 by GDR
10-30-2014 7:55 PM

Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God?

This all appears to be pretty far afield from the actual topic.
It seems to me if we are discussing catechisms and true forms of worship we are no longer discussing the merits of whether the Bible is the inerrant word of God.

But what do I know? I am not a moderator.

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Message 606 of 2241 (742768)
11-24-2014 2:52 PM

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11-17-2014 11:19 AM

Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up

If belief was evidence of truth there, why are there so many people dying for so many different "truths"?

Ain't that the truth? (that being willing to die for it bears no correlation to the truth of a cause). So many examples, where does one start?

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Message 608 of 2241 (742782)
11-24-2014 4:40 PM

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11-24-2014 3:00 PM

Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up

You have a very narrow view of what it means to die for "truth." Everyone who volunteers to join an army is demonstrating a willingness to die for their version of the truth.

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Message 632 of 2241 (742859)
11-25-2014 9:38 AM

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Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up

I don't know, can you compare dying for your country to dying for a belief system?

Well yes, actually. Aren't they often one and the same? Or are all those U.S. flags in the sanctuaries of churches just there for decorative purposes? Not to mention the Church of ENGLAND, Manifest Destiny, For GOD and COUNTRY, For GOD and KING, Gott mit uns (German military) etc. And that is just Christianity.

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Message 638 of 2241 (742867)
11-25-2014 10:09 AM

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11-25-2014 9:53 AM

Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up

Try comparing soldiers willing to die for America today with Christians being willing to die rather than recant their faith when given a choice. I don't see a lot of psychological similarity myself.

Of course you don't. I am quite sure that many others do though. Why is the U.S. flag in the front of many churches? Why was "under God" added to the Pledge of Allegiance? I will give you a clue - it was added in 1954, right in the middle of the Cold War against "Godless Communism." Just a coincidence I guess.

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Message 639 of 2241 (742868)
11-25-2014 10:19 AM

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11-25-2014 10:05 AM

Re: trying to get back to the topic

How would someone dying for some faith provide any support for the concept of Inerrancy?

Well of course it doesn't. I could be wrong but I think this is based on the logical fallacy of "begging the question" aka "circular reasoning."

If I am correct it goes something like this - "If the Bible is inerrant, I will have so much faith in it that I am willing to die for it." I am willing to die for my faith, therefore the Bible is inerrant.

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Message 641 of 2241 (742871)
11-25-2014 10:49 AM

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11-25-2014 10:24 AM

Re: Under God

Roman Catholics are not even Christians.

Seriously off topic now but can't resist this one. Don't you hate it when Christians start fighting among themselves over who is Christian and who is not? I do believe this is actually how most Christians have been killed for their faith - at the hands of other Christians. Even during the Crusades, when the goal supposedly was to kill Muslims, a fair number of Christians (and Jews) died at the hand of the Christian Crusaders. Thus the famous line supposedly uttered at the sack of Beziers in 1209 - "Kill them all and let God sort them out." Massacre at Bziers - Wikipedia

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