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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
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Message 359 of 2241 (738779)
10-15-2014 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by Faith
10-15-2014 2:12 PM


Re: Are you sure you're mainstream?
AND I ANSWERED THAT IF THOSE RCC PRACTICES VIOLATE THE BIBLE, WHICH THEY DO. THEN THEY ARE DISQUALIFIED AS CHRISTIAN BY THE EVIDENCE OF THE BIBLE, NOT BY OPINION.

Faith denounces the papcy as being non-christian, and then appoints herself as Pope. Awesome.


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Message 376 of 2241 (738868)
10-16-2014 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Faith
10-16-2014 1:34 AM


Re: Try truth Faith? jar?
But of course we can ignore the gospels, TRUE Christianity must be what the Pope says it is, huh?

The irony of this statement is quite delicious.

Is TRUE christianity what Faith says it is? You are displaying the same hubris that you detest in others.


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Message 444 of 2241 (739124)
10-20-2014 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by Faith
10-20-2014 4:16 AM


Re: Inspiration and the nature of God
The NT canon was determined on the basis of which of the scriptures were inspired by God. Meaning inerrant.

Never has inspired meant inerrant, nor has it meant dictated.

If the Mother Teresa inspires me to write a story of giving and selflessness, does that mean that Mother Teresa authored that story instead of me? Does it mean that my story is an inerrant and literal history? No.

How you can twist inspiration into dictation is beyond me.


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Message 468 of 2241 (739210)
10-21-2014 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by Faith
10-21-2014 3:15 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
Any sermons you could come up with to support your view would represent only a small part of the Church. My point was that I could show you hundreds from all over the Church that support what I've been saying here because it's the historical traditional position on inerrancy and inspiration.

What has changed is what is inerrant and what is not. When Galileo backed Heliocentrism he wasn't accused of going against the Pope. He was accused of falsifying scripture.

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

Either the Sun moves about the Earth, or scripture is not inerrant. Your choice.


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Message 480 of 2241 (739282)
10-22-2014 12:54 PM
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10-21-2014 9:53 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
I don't know why the Catholic Church was so stupid about all that, though they did tend to follow Aristotle far more than the Bible, but it's obvious now, and you'll find it mentioned on the sermon on inerrancy I posted, that scripture speaks from the human point of view about such things: the sun "rises and sets," even on the Weather Channel, although we know it's the earth that's turning.

I would contend that people are just as "stupid" for following you as it relates to evolution, common ancestry, and the age of the Earth, and for the same reasons.


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Message 610 of 2241 (742797)
11-24-2014 6:09 PM
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11-24-2014 4:50 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
I don't know, can you compare dying for your country to dying for a belief system?

At least you can show that a country exists. Not so for deities.


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Message 686 of 2241 (743503)
12-01-2014 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 685 by Faith
12-01-2014 5:18 PM


Re: Knowing God
No point in arguing this further. I believe the historical Christian view of faith is the only one that makes sense, it means having faith in something or someone to the point of staking your life on the message or the person. To be "saved by faith" is actually to be saved by it. Faith in the death and resurrection of Christ actually saves us.

The same could be said of muslims, Muhammed, and the Qu'ran. How are you any different than them? How is your faith in the gospel writers and the New Testament any different than their faith in Muhammed and the Qu'ran?


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Message 701 of 2241 (743587)
12-02-2014 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 691 by Faith
12-01-2014 8:35 PM


Re: Knowing God
The testimonies in the Bible are the evidence, Percy, they are the evidence that my faith is based on and the evidence I keep trying to persuade you all of, but alas, you keep throwing it away. You get the evidence and you throw it away. Oh well.

What about the testimonies of Muhammed and his followers which demonstrate that God dictated the Qu'ran to Muhammed?


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Message 702 of 2241 (743588)
12-02-2014 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 687 by Faith
12-01-2014 5:52 PM


Re: Knowing God
At least in that their "faith" can't save them.

Why would you do those works if you didn't have faith that they would save you?

Why do you doubt the Qu'ran? If you believed it is true, then you would believe it was true, wouldn't you? Obviously, once you believe the Qu'ran is true then you will have all the evidence you need.

Christianity is the only faith-based religion. We are actually saved by our faith in Christ.

How does being different result in being right?

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 707 of 2241 (743602)
12-02-2014 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 703 by Faith
12-02-2014 3:42 PM


Re: Knowing God
The Bible IS evidence, I haven't changed that tune at all. Witness evidence IS evidence.

In that case . . .

I was a witness to Jesus' ministry. It turns out that he stayed dead and did not resurrect.

Are you going to stop being a christian now, following my eyewitness evidence that simply can't be false and is not a myth?


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Message 711 of 2241 (743613)
12-02-2014 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by Faith
12-02-2014 4:35 PM


Re: Knowing God
Oh don't be silly. There's enough silliness here already without going to that extreme.

You are already dismissing the eyewitness evidence. Go figure.

But if He stayed dead and you saw all this you should be able to produce the body. Where is it?

I just gave you all of the evidence you need.


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Taq
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Message 726 of 2241 (743695)
12-03-2014 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
12-03-2014 3:29 AM


Re: The job of a witness
For one thing many witnesses are needed, even according to Levitical law, because one is not trustworthy, which we know about you anyway.

I do have the eyewitness of many. Here are there accounts.

Jim Crawford: I saw the same thing as Taq.

Frank Jones: I saw the same thing as Taq.

Fran Smith: I saw the same thing as Taq.

Now you have all the evidence you need.


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