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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
MFFJM2
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Message 97 of 2241 (724342)
04-16-2014 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Ossat
06-26-2013 4:32 AM


Ossat writes:
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I'm sorry but I don't really think you know that much about the Bible.

Apparently he knows more about the Bible than you do, since you are apparently unaware that God killed the first-born of Egypt. This was after God had hardened the heart of Pharoah so he wouldn't let Moses and his people go.

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You may be able to quote every single passage but if you cannot find anything good your knowledge is vain.

I'm sure you mean his knowledge is "in vain", but no matter. The Bible has some few valuable inferences in it, but there is so much murder and mayhem, it's hard to get to the occasional good or life-affirming statement.

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You can quote many texts where God appears as a cruel being, let's say He is.

Okay, then He's a monster and totally unworthy of worship, and if the the Bible is inerrant that is the only reasonable inference.

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Let's say He has wanted all those people dead, but He also died Himself for the whole world.

It doesn't change a thing. A deity who proclaims everyone in the world is a sinner, based on rules He created, sacrifices himself to himself, to remove the sins that he determined were sins, when He knew all along that these sins were going to happen and could have prevented them in the first place sounds perverse.

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Even if you don't believe, if you think God is just a fictional character, don't you think He has much more good than evil when sacrificing Himself to save everybody?

No, it's immoral, and unconscionable. It's immoral to punish anyone, let alone sacrifice them, for the guilt (if there ever was any guilt) of others, let alone the so-called "original sin", punishing the children for the sins of the father. You yourself recognize how immoral this kind of action is, because if you saw it you'd try to stop it.

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Suppose, again within the context of a Bible as a fictional story, that all that people who died under God's law were saved from a much worse fate if they lived a little bit more.

You mean the people who were killed by God, then their lives were taken from them without due process of law, and He is guilty of murder. What legitimate authority does God have that He can take someone's life..? Would it be okay for me to kill an infant so that there would be no chance they could become a sinner, and be guaranteed to go to Heaven..? This kind of thinking is depraved.

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They died, but at the end God died Himself to save them.

Which is immoral. No, according to the story Jesus had a bad afternoon, after which he temporarily left this plane of existence, only to become the ruler of the universe, for all time. A sacrifice implies that something is given up permanently, not as a short term loan. What exactly did Jesus give up..? Didn't he return according to the story so his apostles could meet him..? So he didn't die after all. What exactly was sacrificed..? The suffering of Jesus pales by comparison to the suffering of human beings every day, and they don't get to be the ruler of the universe afterwards.


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MFFJM2
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Posts: 58
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Message 99 of 2241 (724361)
04-16-2014 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Pressie
04-16-2014 9:37 AM


Re: Thanks MFFJF2
Feel free.

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