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Author | Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
You kinda lost me there. What contradictions and absurdity do you find in John? From John3:14. Jesus believes the stupid story of god getting snakes to bite people, because they complained about a lack of food ( From Numbers 21) 5:17 God works on sabbath and so does Jesus ( Not according to Genesis 2:2-3) 5:46 Claims Moses wrote about him ( Nope) 11:42 Prays in public, in contradiction to Matt 6:5-6 where you don't do that 14:13 Whatever you ask in my name I will do ( lol, that's a beauty!) 6:53-57. Eat his flesh and drink his blood to be saved. There are lots more. I call it errors, or contradiction or absurd....one of those.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
That's okay half BS.
True Christian doesn't see any. I see mostly BS. No nukes you can run the middle ground. )) There is lots more half BS. But, this is my view for sure.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Okay Ringo.
I'll show some more "inconsistencies". I'll do a little homework later. I remember a couple other inconsistencies ( for me) but there are quite a few more.I suspect you'll disagree for the hell of it though. :-))))
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Okay, these two others I know but I'll give more after I check some notes later.
_________________________________________________ John 1:18 Nobody has seen god at any time Well, yes they have:Gen 35:9, Exodus 6:3, Numbers 14:14, Deu 5:4 ( God is seen in a few other places too) ___________________________________________________ Jesus judges no one : John 12:47 Jesus does indeed judge: John 5:22, 26-27 __________________________________________________
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
I think you're trying too hard to find inconsistencies But I don't have to try hard, that's the problem.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
You don't have to try very hard to find ugly people either, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and your list isn't likely to impress anybody but yourself. Did ugly people write errant stuff and claim it's inspired by god, then form religions around the errancy?. Then ya, I have a problem with that.But to heck with it then. I'll leave it alone, don't want to be a self-impressionist.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Why?
Indeed why is what I ask myself. You say this:
On the other hand, internal inconsistencies, if any, could suggest that it is not authentic. Then follow it up with suggestion that I'm now trying to hard to find unimpressive inconsistencies.I call that yanking the chain. You can answer the why.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
You should not have to try at all. If you are truly bothered by the inconsistencies in John or any other part of the Bible, I would expect you to be able to rattle off the issues from memory with perhaps some refreshing of your memory by glancing at the text. What's the source of your difficulty? I just did that, no problem.But, I'll avoid doing it now. Don't want to rub guys wrong.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
[q/s=phat]You do seem like an interesting chap! Stick around awhile...I love meeting new people.[/qs]
Thanks. I'll try and stick around awhile.I'm not that interesting by the way.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
This is a debate site. I expect and hope to see controversy here. Are you sure you aren't bluffing? Bluffing, about what?No clue, absolutely no clue, to what you speak
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
no nukes writes: To be clear, I'm asking if your reticence to cite contradictions in the Bible is really a bluff or are you truly concerned about hurting someone's feelings? After all, you initially told us that you were going to provide some more examples. I'll admit that I am merely trying to prod you into continuing. Feel free to ignore. You have an odd way of prodding. I put up a few passages which you don't find impressive. Kind of half BS. If I can continue on spewing BS, seems pointless don't you think? Ringo thinks similar and True Christian has seen it all before and it's another moot point or misses the point.So in absence of specific direct question on it, I'll pass on further head banging into wall.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
phat writes: This is where you and I thus disagree as Christians. I believe that God is alive and is able to heal. Even if the probability suggests otherwise. That is a demonstrable effect. It's testable. The correct god can heal. You can set up experiments to prove that. They don't show a demonstrated effect. So you have the wrong god, or he doesn't heal.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined:
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Ringo writes:
The question is, why is the authenticity important to you?I know Treasure Island isn't authentic - i.e. the characters never existed, the events never happened - but it's still one of my favorite books. Would it have more value to me if it was "authentic"? No. So why do you care about the authenticity of the Bible? The bible is not authentic. Writers claiming to be people they aren't adds further suggestion to that.It should be important to anybody that believes it is the word of god, inerrant or literal or historical non- fiction. That does not include you or I.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
no nukes writes:
Pretty good summary. As someone who does believe that the Bible is non-fiction (although it is quite often non-literal and reflects lots of human error), authorship does matter to me. However I don't conclude, as you do, that the Bible is not authentic. If you believe it's non- fiction you should be able to support that. What part is non- fiction and what part is fiction and how do you tell the difference. ?
no nukes writes: On the other hand, you do a pretty good imitation of someone who actually does care. You've acknowledged past betrayal over authorship issues regarding John, and you've spent some considerable time discussing the subject here. I have been Christian. So from a Christian perspective, in my opinion, authentic should matter. I have not spent much time at all discussing authorship of John. I spent little time on it. There is a lot of information on it and I consider it " touched on" in my posts. Not considerable time...in my own assessment. However, I have said it appears to be not " impressive" to any here. The guys here, in my opinion, are very sharp guys. So maybe banging my head against the wall showing something, that sharp guys consider as not much..well logically I have to think that maybe I'm not doing much and continuing in the same way isn't adding anything. Some seem outright put out by it, including you.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3108 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
The question remains no nukes, how do you tell fiction from non- fiction?
Or as you restated, how do you know the " essentials" of Christianity are true, as opposed to whatever the non- essentials are, that aren't necessarily true? Same question really.
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