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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's nice Faith but once again you simply failed to answer or address the questions.
What does thinking biblically even mean? How is that different than thinking or being honest about what is actually written? In addition, what would that have to do with whether or not the Bible the inerrant word of God or is it the words of men?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Golffly writes: Do you have a shred of evidence for your belief ? Too funny. Did GDR use the term faith to describe the source of his beliefs? Didn't GDR say:
quote: Edited by jar, : fix sub-title.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So again, thinking Biblically means to shut down any critical thinking, ignore all evidence and reality and instead believe personal fantasies. Got it.
Faith writes: Thinking biblically means taking the Bible as the entire framework of your thinking, believing what it says and judging all its parts by all its other parts. We know though that you do NOT believe what the Bible actually says. You prove that with almost every post you make. Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar, I know technically faith is belief without evidence. I find it's rarely used that way. We have a rare deist or theist who will say " I believe because I want to believe. I know it's not rational and there is no evidence. I believe anyway". That's close but in my experience it is seldom a matter of wanting to believe.
Then the other end where every word of the bible is true and it is the best evidence man kind has ever seen. These individuals are not debatable, in my view, and they have given up on rational thought. In my view. Correct, but again, that is not so much a fault of the Bible (the topic of this thread) but rather of their education.
Then there are most who believe some things in the bible and not other things, but the bible is still evidence. But the Bible (remember there is no such thing as The BibleTM ) is evidence; often not evidence that supports their assertions, often evidence that refutes their assertions but still evidence. Again, the issue is a matter of learning how to think, of education, not of the Bible or Bible stories or particular Canon itself.
Then some who believe nothing specifically in the bible, but think in general it points to a truth. They often say the bible isn't evidence. Folk say the damnedest things. Edited by jar, : fix formattingAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Doesn't "trump" reality, IS reality, shows us what reality IS. And it's not just a book, or a particular book, it's sixty six books by forty some odd authors inspired by God, and when you know it's God's own communication to us then you know that it is a revelation of reality itself. Then why does it contain contradictions, falsehoods and errors? Are two fowl and seven fowl the same number of fowl? Is God unable to count?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You may be missing NoNukes point.
Let me try a few questions that may help. Are there people today who believe in ghosts?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Were they more superstitious than the general population today?
Remember even the concept of science had not been developed at the time most Bible stories were written yet today, even with all the scientific knowledge we have developed there are still folk that believe horoscopes, fortune cookies, palmistry, ghosts, big foot, alien abduction, that they will win the lottery, Publishers Clearinghouse, Professional Wrestling, that 9 out of 10 doctors ..., that natural foods have no chemicals or drugs, that we should be "Up for anything" and that Lite beer is not an abomination. What evidence is there that the general population today is less superstitious then it was back then? Have you watched TV commercials lately?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Look at what you posted.
quote: The specifics might change but superstitions are still superstitions. Is there a newspaper that does not have horoscopes? Are there fantastic claims made in advertising?
I see no logical way a person can conclude anything except they were far more superstitious. How is one superstition more superstitious than a different superstition? Have you listened to the televangelists?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But I know what general environment must have existed then.
Have you actually read the posts here? Are there people today that believe the stories in the Bible are all literally true, that snakes talked and demons were cast into pigs? Do you remember our discussion on the Talmud? Do you remember there were folk way back then who questioned whether things should be taken literally? Sure we have learned stuff over the last few thousand years but that does not mean everyone agrees with reality. Look at how much states make each month from lotteries? In 2009 eleven states brought in more money through lotteries than they did from State corporate income tax. Can you see a pattern?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
People today, in general, have an idea about lottery odds and random. We won't have many saying god is determining the winner. They also won't write it in a respected book, as an aside that passes without comment, because it's not unusual god effects the results. We know god has nothing to do with it. The ancients sure didn't, and if there was questions about that, it's certainly not reflected well in the writing of esteemed individuals. What is the difference between "God favors me" and "Luck will favor me"? Do you think there are no people today who think God determines what happens?
As you know, The literacy rate was very low. Say around 5 percent. Then, unlike today, far fewer could actually write. Say less than one percent. So what we have is the cream of the crop writing and believing this superstitious stuff. One can only envision the depths of superstition in the vastly more populous uneducated. Actually I don't know that and I'm not at all sure that was true. There were vast libraries, walls and stele covered in writing, business correspondence, graffiti left by the pyramid builders who were just labors hauling stone. Reading and writing seems from the evidence to have been very common. In addition, the evidence is that many folk were not just literate but multilingual. As recently as WWII it was necessary in the US to drop the enlistment and draft eligibility requirement of literacy to meet quotas and instead set up schools to teach readin and ritin to the inductees.
The books are written by incredibly superstitious people who are not credible to write about incredible events like virgin birth, miracles or resurrection. Not only do they demonstrate the ability to accept the absurd easily, they are not even eye witnesses and they are bias as well. The bible writers are not credible or trust worthy. In my opinion. We know that is your opinion but so far all you offer has been opinion with little evidence or reasoning to back it up.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The Bible alone proves He exists and that it contains His words, for those who aren't shackled to a false opinion. So the god you try to market says two fowl and seven fowl are the same number of fowl. Got it.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: What blasphemous effrontery to pretend you are a Christian. I already answered your absolutely idiotic bleating about the numbers of animals, jar: the first is a general list, the second more specific about the clean animals. This is very similar to the pattern that is found in Genesis 1 and 2 you also don't understand: First a general statement is made and then it is elaborated more specifically in the next chapter. There is nothing contradictory about saying all the animals were taken by twos, and then in the next chapter adding the fact that the clean animals would be taken in larger numbers. Except Faith, that is not what the Bible actually says, is it? Here it is yet again since it seems you have never read the Bible.
Gen 6 writes: 20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. Note two fowl, not two clean fowl and seven unclean fowl.
Gen 7 writes: 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. Seven fowl, not two clean fowl and seven unclean fowl but seven fowls. And the stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are completely contradictory, The gods are different, the orders are different. In Gen 1 the god is competent, aloof, overarching, creates by thought alone and without error or hesitation but does not interact at all with the created while in Gen 2&3 the god is personable, intimate but somewhat blundering, unsure and learning on the job. Have you ever read the Bible Faith? Shall I post Genesis 1-3 for you?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: May God show you the truth since you won't listen to anybody else. You are the one claiming that the Bible is god's word not I and it is what is actually written in the Bible that I have posted. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar just posts what the Bible actually says and not what millions of people think it says.
Sorry if you cannot handle what the Bible actually says and have to make shit up instead.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Jar's views are certainly not shared by the billions either.
That's very likely Faith but it is clear that my views were shared by the authors of the Bible stories. Have you ever read the Bible Faith?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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