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You are completely and utterly missing my point.A deterministic universe is completely non-random.If you can't get that, then I give up. False. Unpredictability is not randomness. Its a lack of information. Why are you so reluctant to understand that determinism prevents randomness?

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Sure, no problem.Maybe not "completely", but your point is not lost. Pretty much, but not exactly.For example, you could just drop the die straight down from a height of 1 mm and the only force on it would be gravity.If the 6 was face up when you dropped it, then the 6 would still be face up when it landed on the table, and you could predict the result every time.You'd complain that the roll wasn't fair, and you'd be right, but that's only because we didn't introduce enough forces to make the result look random.Since it was so easy to predict the result, wouldn't you say that it was not random?What if I slid it across the table so that there was also a lateral force, but not enough to make it roll off of the six-side facing up? Wouldn't you say that it was still not random?Why, then, if I add an additional force that makes us unable to predict the result, do you all of the sudden start calling it random?If you insist that every roll must be random, then you must also admit that when I drop it from 1 mm that it is random as well. But you won't be able to say that.What you are calling complete randomness, is actually only a complications of the number of forces that makes us unable to predict the result.But if we did know those forces, then we could predict it. So how can it really be random? Isn't it just the appearance of randomness?I agree that for all intents and purposes, we're totally fine with calling it random.I'm just pointing out that it actually isn't. The only reason I'm insisting on the point is because of the way you were ridiculing the idea.You were acting as if it was so hilarious that someone would even make the claim that there's nothing to do but laugh at it. But in actuality, the claim turns out to be true and you're left with egg on your face.So sure, a die roll is random.But its not really random from the point of view of the laws of physics. Every roll is just the result of a bunch of forces acting on the die in a completely predictable manner.

Of course they were dead, they were buried.Calling it sleep is just metaphorical. Kinda like how sex is sometimes called "knowing" a person.

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Gen 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived...

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Here's how the NIV translates it:

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52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

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Lazarus was resurrected too.

No problem, Cup. I'm not sure, I'd have to see the context.But with the bears killing the 42 kids, I've seen a decent interpretation of that.Going from memory of hearsay:First off, 42 just meant "a lot" and was to imply a large group or mob.Also, "Go up" was code for die. And "bald head" was code for leper.So Elisha was faced with a mob calling him a leper and telling him to die.That's why his curse lead to God killing them, they were not just "making fun" of Elisha, they were threatening his life.Still not commendable, but its not as bad as killing them for teasing.ABE: I don't think referencing a story that your audience is familiar with automatically means that you think it really happened.Like I could say: Just like Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father, yadda yadda yadda.That wouldn't mean that I though Star Wars was a true story.Edited by Cat Sci, : see ABE

Do you count the hours that he sweated blood in anticipation?

Yeah, and the Catholics are totally the coolest, according to the biggest names in Catholicism.