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Larni
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Message 14 of 84 (368371)
12-08-2006 4:55 AM


An important distinction.
I think it is important to note that the act of rape is an act of agression and humiliation. The primary driver for the behaviour is not procreation.
Evolution has nothing to do with it aside from the human drive to exhert control over its environment (the social environment).
As Crash points out, this is counter to modern social norms and behaviours and ultimately costs the rapist as our culture will (hopefully) eventualy catch and sanction this behaviour.
I see no reason to bring evolution into a subject that is more correctly the province of psycholgy/sociology.

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Larni
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Message 19 of 84 (368406)
12-08-2006 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Chiroptera
12-08-2006 7:54 AM


Lol, you're right of course. Sometimes we can get carried away with social evolution.

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Larni
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Message 62 of 84 (391754)
03-27-2007 8:58 AM
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03-27-2007 7:52 AM


Re: An important distinction.
By the Power of Thread Necromancy!
Doddy writes:
This is an interesting view Larni, and I've seen it espoused in most psychology works. However, I was recently challenged by reading The Blank Slate by Stephen Pinker, who suggests this might be a common misconception.
I have not read this book. What are its conclusions on the issue?
Edited by Larni, : Interactive menu. Alternative Ending. Gag Reel. Director's Commentary.

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Larni
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Message 66 of 84 (391933)
03-28-2007 4:42 AM
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03-27-2007 8:31 PM


Re: An important distinction.
Doddy writes:
Rape, in his view, is a last ditch effort for genes to pass themselves on to another generation.
Then rape would be the province of only men who want children and can sire children no other way.
I don't buy rape as being a rationally thought out way to have off spring.
People are not psychologically driven to have off spring, they are driven to have sex.
When we learn that sex is a great sensation (in our mid teens). We are not logically and rationally planing to have off spring.
We are doing it because the act of sex is enjoyable, not the thought of having a child.

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Larni
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Message 68 of 84 (391935)
03-28-2007 5:13 AM
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03-28-2007 4:55 AM


Re: An important distinction.
Hmm.
Not sure. That would imply genes affecting behaviour in a pretty direct way.
The rapist (in this case) could be seen to have reduced control over his actions in a similar way to a horny teenager having sex without contraceptions. His genes are driving him on.
But if that same teenage had contraceptives and used them it would be an obstacle to this hypothesis.
A study indicating whether rapist would use contraception is hardly likely so I guess I would have to modify my statement about rape being an issue of power rather than sex to a statement more like Shrafs above.
But then I can feel myself wanting to play the " there are many factors" card and this normally means I'm running out of ideas

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