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Phat
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Message 106 of 122 (829646)
03-11-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by jar
03-11-2018 7:19 AM


Re: How can you tell?
Building 7 is the mystery, however. No planes hit it. Yet it came down in a somewhat controlled fashion.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 107 of 122 (829650)
03-11-2018 2:18 PM
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03-11-2018 12:47 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Again, no mystery there and fully covered in the investigation.

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Message 108 of 122 (829654)
03-11-2018 2:38 PM
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03-10-2018 2:07 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Phat writes:

The Towers themselves similarly collapsed quite uniformly.


Gravity.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 109 of 122 (829655)
03-11-2018 2:38 PM
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03-11-2018 12:47 PM


Re: How can you tell?
No mystery for the investigators who looked into what caused building 7 to collapse. You just haven't been paying attention.

Popular Mechanics article with links

Full NIST report


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Message 110 of 122 (829663)
03-11-2018 4:20 PM
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03-11-2018 12:47 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Building 7 is the mystery, however. No planes hit it. Yet it came down in a somewhat controlled fashion.

"Somewhat controlled"?

It's not a mystery, Phat, it had a massive hole in it and was on fire. Not only can its collapse be explained after the event, it was anticipated before the event --- the firefighters knew that it couldn't survive that much damage and so evacuated the area. I can find you a jillion statements from firemen saying this, if you like.


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Phat
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Message 111 of 122 (849594)
03-15-2019 1:23 PM


I have some young men at work (safeway) who are smarter than average but who like looking up conspiracy theories on their i-phones. They will likely grow up to be systems engineers, biologists, and educated contributors to society as many of you now are.

Conclusion?

  • we live in a society driven by media sensationalism as an addiction to alleviate the boredom of modern life and an escape. Internet infotainment addiction is prevalent across all ages.

  • friends like to gather together to chill at starbucks and shoot the breeze.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 112 of 122 (849596)
    03-15-2019 1:46 PM
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    03-15-2019 1:23 PM


    Phat writes:

    we live in a society driven by media sensationalism as an addiction to alleviate the boredom of modern life and an escape.


    In Canada, we're having a Federal election next fall and people are in a panic about how "somebody" might use social media to influence the results.

    Personally, I'm baffled by the idea that the Internet could have any influence on how I vote. What kind of idiot gets their news from social media?


    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Message 113 of 122 (849597)
    03-15-2019 1:49 PM
    Reply to: Message 112 by ringo
    03-15-2019 1:46 PM


    What kind of idiot gets their news from social media?

    Trump.


    What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

    One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

    If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

    The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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    Tangle
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    Message 114 of 122 (849599)
    03-15-2019 2:47 PM
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    03-15-2019 1:46 PM


    ringo writes:

    Personally, I'm baffled by the idea that the Internet could have any influence on how I vote. What kind of idiot gets their news from social media?

    That would be the idiots. Sadly there are far more idiots than non-idiots.


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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    ringo
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    Message 115 of 122 (849600)
    03-15-2019 2:52 PM
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    03-15-2019 2:47 PM


    Tangle writes:

    That would be the idiots. Sadly there are far more idiots than non-idiots.


    There have always been idiots and as John Stewart Mill suggested, idiots usually vote conservative. No doubt the idiots are attracted to the Internet and other shiny objects but I don't see how that will effect the outcome.

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Message 116 of 122 (849602)
    03-15-2019 3:30 PM
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    03-15-2019 2:52 PM


    ringo writes:

    No doubt the idiots are attracted to the Internet and other shiny objects but I don't see how that will effect the outcome.

    The problem is that these days we're normally dealing with a 50:50 split vote give or take a couple of %. If you can nudge just a small % one way or the other you win.


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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    Phat
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    Message 117 of 122 (849625)
    03-16-2019 1:46 PM
    Reply to: Message 39 by ringo
    05-30-2013 12:24 PM


    Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    ringo writes:

    Conspiracies are the new scapegoats, the Jews that you can blame for everything.
    The question is whether the conspiracy theories really come from a bunch of nuts or from the Propaganda Ministry.

    Faith used to think that the liberals blamed Trump for everything. Some liberals did.
    There have always been idiots and as John Stewart Mill suggested, idiots usually vote conservative.
    The conservative Christians I knew thought that Trump was approved by God and was prophesied by Kim Clement.

    Trump-Loving Megachurch Pastor Calls New Zealand Terror Attack ‘False Flag’

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    ringo
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    Message 118 of 122 (849632)
    03-16-2019 2:16 PM
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    03-16-2019 1:46 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    Trump-Loving Megachurch Pastor Calls New Zealand Terror Attack ‘False Flag’

    Is there no limit to how low these assholes will stoop?

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Phat
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    Message 119 of 122 (849634)
    03-16-2019 2:31 PM
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    03-16-2019 2:16 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    RHB Tweet writes:

    Only a total nutjob lunatic, insane demonized freak goes into a building and kills people, it’s unacceptable on every level!

    Isnt this the same Rodney Howard Brown who did this? :

    I suppose that "good" nutjob lunatics are acceptable.

    Since you cant watch the video, read this link, ringo.
    Pastor: If You Make Fun of My “Holy Laughter” Revival, You’re Going To Hell
    https://soundcloud.com/...laughter-revival-are-going-to-hell


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    AZPaul3
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    Message 120 of 122 (849635)
    03-16-2019 2:31 PM
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    03-16-2019 1:46 PM


    Re: Here is a Conspiracy Theory from the Secular Humanist Website
    Republicans are a conspiracy of the wealthy designed to steal all the money in society, keep minorities and poorer people from voting, teach god-done-it in the public school science classroom and to criminalize abortion, self expression, love, sex, pursuit of happiness and alternate power sources while maintaining the more barbaric tenets of capitalism, white privilege and segregation especially from the poor which is all the rest of the 95% of the populous.

    That's really not a conspiracy theory. It's more a conspiracy fact.


    Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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