Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

Are not most people separated from 'God the father'?Is it really such agony?

You say "only" but that constitutes the overwhelming majority of people that have ever lived doesn't it? Are you talking about physical life when you talk about my "ongoing life"? Why would physical fire have any sensory effect on a spiritual body?Which bit of the bible talks about being separated from God as 'agony'?

This is very confused.I am well aware that you subjectively believe that the God you have faith in is objectively real. But you are getting your subs and objs all conflated and confused.We can all independently verify and agree that 1 + 1 = 2. We don't need faith to conclude this. The conclusion isn't dependent on culture or personal bias or what have you.We can all independently verify and agree that an object compatible with the common conceptual meaning of the term 'chair' exists. We don't need faith to conclude the existence of a chair. Etc.If an alien being completely ignorant of human culture and psychology came along we could demonstrate the existence of chairs and the fact that 1+1=2 because these are objectively derived conclusions.However conclusively demonstrating that the object of your faith (AKA the Christian God) is objectively real would be impossible. Because this isn't an objective conclusion.Do you see the difference.....?

If this 'evidence' you speak of depends upon subjective judgements about the character and motives of others then it isn't objective is it?To demonstate that a chairs exists or that 1+1=2 doesn't depend on character references or some analysis of whether one's motives are pure. Well I was trying to get you to consider the difference between things that are the same for everyone (objective) and things which are dependent on shared psychology, culture etc. (subjective).Do you really not think there is a difference between the demonstrable existence of a chair or a mathematical result and something like the existence of God?Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

ICANT what you (or I) find subjectively convincing has no bearing on what can be objectively demonstrated.That the value of the Cosmic Microwave Background mathematically predicted by Big Bang theory exactly matches experimental result can be demonstrated to anyone. What you do with that information I guess is up to you..Anyway — We really really shouldn’t drag yet another topic down your T=0 rabbit hole. Let’s stick to gods dying and the related sub issue of objective/subjective.

Not it was you in Message 111So tell me - Where in the bible does it tell us that Christ was in agnoy as a result of being separated from God?Or is this something you have inferred somehow? (if so how?) Well if we make an estimate of the number of people that have ever lived Vs an esimate of the number of people that died as born again Christians then we should get a rough idea of what proportion of humanity are separated from 'God the father'. But surely I receive this spiritual life from Him too - Right. So why does the end of physical life equate to being separeted from God? Why are the two related?

If this 'evidence' you speak of depends upon subjective judgements about the character and motives of others then it isn't objective is it?To demonstate that a chair exists or that 1+1=2 doesn't depend on character references or some analysis of whether one's motives are pure.How can you not see the difference?Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.