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Author Topic:   Semiotic argument for ID
ringo
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Message 26 of 223 (701314)
06-16-2013 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
06-16-2013 3:25 PM


Faith writes:

If you want to propose another term, fine, but semiosis seems to me to be quite appropriate.


It looks to me like semiosis, as used by creationists, is just numerology without the numbers.

Faith writes:

... how one gets from the chemical product to the traits of the living organism....


Chemicals have physical properties. There's nothing mysterious about that. A living organism is essentially just an enormous molecule with the sum total properties of its constituents.

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Message 31 of 223 (701344)
06-17-2013 12:39 PM
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06-16-2013 7:15 PM


Porosity writes:

ringo writes:

It looks to me like semiosis, as used by creationists, is just numerology without the numbers.


I think that it has more to do with information. What they are saying is their puppet master is behind the scenes giving molecules the information to react to physical laws...the invisible creator at last!

My point was that in both semiosis and numerology the "meaning" is assigned by the believer. It is not necessarily inherent in the system.

What is meaningful to a creationist trying to "prove" that God exists is not the same as what is meaningful to a DNA molecule trying to replicate itself. (The DNA molecule has a much simpler agenda. )


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Message 142 of 223 (725187)
04-24-2014 3:47 PM
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04-24-2014 3:25 PM


Re: Articles of Faith
Ed67 writes:

"characterized by a very complicated or involved arrangement of parts, units, etc.: complex machinery."


Which is more complex? A cell or a mountain?

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Message 181 of 223 (725303)
04-25-2014 1:37 PM
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04-24-2014 7:41 PM


Re: Articles of Faith
Ed67 writes:

Yes, and the information in the mould was put there by an intelligent designer.


I'd like to know who "designed" the pothole in front of my house. The ice is moulded so nicely to fit it.

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