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Stile
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Message 21 of 177 (702328)
07-04-2013 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by yenmor
07-02-2013 7:56 PM


Hollow Man
Hello Mr. yenmor, welcome to EvC!

It's a nice place.

Been working like a dog on this program that I intend to publish soon before I start working on the upcoming construction project that's worth $250 million.

I shit $250 million before breakfast.

I must say this is the first time I've ever heard anything about the "hollow earth theory" and this supposed expedition.

Check out the movie "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" it's a documentary about it. Or a fiction novel. Doesn't matter, it has dinosaur fights!!

He also claims that the center of gravity of the Earth isn't in the center of the Earth but rather in the crustal mass.

False regardless if the Earth is hollow or not.
The bulk of the mass may be in the crustal mass (again, regardless of if the Earth is hollow or not).
But as long as the Earth is relatively uniform and spherical, the centre of mass will always be close to the centre of the Earth.

The only way it'll ever be in the crustal mass is if we have some sort of seriously non-uniform, non-spherical Earth. If that were true, we'd likely have some kind of wonky rotation or orbit or something like that too.

What I do know is nowadays it is very fashionable to call someone a crank just because he doesn't hold the same view as mainstream anything.

Is it? I hadn't noticed.
I'll start calling my sister a crank. She mentioned she was going to stop using facebook.

That and the fact that engineers have a track record of being young earth creationists around here...

That's not true at all. I'm an engineer and I'm basically God around here.
More like Thor, though... I'm not so much into the younger God's like Yahweh.
Thor... doing lightning before it was cool.

So, if the Earth is hollow, what's keeping the crust from collapsing into the void? The pressure must be enormous down there due to all the matter that is above it.

True. It's one of the reasons we know the Earth is not hollow.

There were people that posed similar types of questions: If the Earth is moving, how come the winds aren't blowing everyone and everything off the surface? I can't help but wonder if everything we claim to know about the true nature of the universe is just as ignorant as the people of Copernicus' time's claim to know god's ways.

You seem to have a way of stringing phrases together that do not carry along the same point of context. Igloos!

The idea is good to wonder about. But science deals with work and observations. If you put in some work and make some observations, then you'll have a better idea on what actually is or isn't going along with the current theory.

Neal Adams shows us how all the continents fit together perfectly on all sides.

Yup. Well, not perfectly. More like mostly. It's 'cause all the land used to be connected and some dude called it "Pangea."

...he shows us his evidence of other planetary bodies growing.

Does he mention why?
Earth grows every time a meteor slams into us. This isn't why the land masses mostly fit together though... Paint thinner!

Expanding earth theorists have shown that all the continents fit together on all sides.

Have they? Can you show me? I don't think this is true.
Here's a mapidoodle:

I can see how North/South America mostly fit together with Europe and Africa.
But it doesn't look like North/South America fit at all with Asia and Australia.

So it's certainly not "all sides."
Did he mean something else?

Of course, the fitting together is nicely explained by Pangea and shifting plate techtonics. But that's not as fun as fighting dinosaurs!!

So, if the Earth grew in size, then there must be hollow spaces within the Earth. Otherwise, where would the extra matter came from?

Dinosaur poop.
Hey, if we're just making stuff up, why even try to have it make sense?
If we're not making stuff up... then the explanation that fits with the evidence is one that doesn't include a growing Earth with hollow spaces inside.


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Message 25 of 177 (702347)
07-04-2013 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by yenmor
07-04-2013 2:55 PM


Re: Hollow Man
yenmor writes:

I linked to that video before...

Yeah, but:

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Don't worry, it's not you, it's me.
Really, there's lots of video's I can't link to from certain computers.

Also, I showed a map of the world you could refer to, for easy pointing-at-stuff.

but I guess it was more fun to make snark comments

Yeah, it generally is. For me, anyway. Sorry, I don't mean to insult you or anything... just felt like having some fun.

And no, I don't believe in this stuff.

Then what's the problem with my comments? I made some actual points, too. Buried in there. Somewhere...

I live by the philosophy of minding with what I know.

I don't know what that means.
Not getting involved in things that aren't your expertise?

I'll let the geologist fight it out.

We're not getting involved, just asking questions. And answering the easy ones.

I just thought it was interesting concept.

It is. That's why they made a movie about it

All joking aside, have a look around and stay a while. It's pretty fun here and there's lots to learn. And the board-software is first class. (Kiss up to the owner enough and you get a free decoder ring in the mail!)


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Message 33 of 177 (702377)
07-05-2013 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by yenmor
07-04-2013 7:23 PM


Re: Hollow Man
This idea actually gave me an idea for a science fiction novel. I spent about an hour last night googling around to see if anyone has ever done an idea like this.

A hollow earth you can reach by a tunnel?

From blockbuster:
Journey to the Centre of the Earth

To Disney:
Atlantis: The Lost Empire

Unless... your idea is something we haven't been talking about here?
I can't think of a movie that involves a hollow earth with simply nothing there... could possibly make for an interesting disaster movie?


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Message 34 of 177 (702380)
07-05-2013 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by yenmor
07-04-2013 8:15 PM


Re: Hollow Rebuttal
Here's the thing. Have you ever tried to flatten out an orange peal in one piece? For instance, Greenland in that map of yours is much bigger than it actually is.

Agreed.
But I told you I don't have an issue with saying that North and South America mostly line up with Europe and Africa. (This area of context would include Greenland).
The problem is with the other coastlines for the Pacific ocean, not the Atlantic.

I can look at a globe too (it's just more difficult to post a 3D picture of a globe) and see that North and South America do not line up with Asia and Australia. They both angle inwards (towards Africa) at their southern ends. They couldn't possibly line up without pulling Europe away from North America. Are you trying to say they actually go together? Are you trying to say your video shows that it does? Maybe I'll try to take a look at the warp-job they're pulling over your eyes this weekend.

throwing out random refutes...

...just two, really. (Centre of gravity and coasts not lining up) Neither of which you have a rebuttal for...

not looking at my links and info...

...that I countered with actual pictures and explanations everyone can see...

and making snark backhanded comments...

...those are just plain funny.

are all YEC traits

YECs wish they were as entertaining as me. It would at least give a reason for someone to pay attention to them.


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Message 40 of 177 (702393)
07-05-2013 12:28 PM
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07-05-2013 12:04 PM


Re: Hollow Man
Coyote writes:

A Dyson sphere?

Actually, I was simply thinking of a hollow earth where major earthquakes happened and continents were just falling "into the earth" and breaking apart or something. Planet buster.

But a Dyson sphere would be even cooler.
Now it's a Sci-Fi movie where our earth used to be a sun of a technologically advanced population... The crust is simply dust that accumulated on a long-lost (and un-used) Dyson sphere.
And then they want to re-ignite the whole process in order to control the (practically) infinite energy available.
The only one who can stop their evil monopoly and manipulation is... Adam West! '60s Batman to the rescue!

"Two hands on the bat-rope, Robin. We're about to enter the centre of the Earth!"


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Message 41 of 177 (702395)
07-05-2013 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by yenmor
07-05-2013 9:35 AM


Re: Hollow Man
yenmor writes:

yec

You keep using that word... I do not think-ita-means what you think-ita-means.
(Said with a wicked mustache)

Seriously, though. I'm just having some fun. I'm not trying to insult you or anything. Did you have something you wanted to discuss in-depth and actually have a back-and-forth about?

I'm sensing a lot of back-ing here, but not so much forth-ing...


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Message 65 of 177 (702511)
07-08-2013 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by yenmor
07-05-2013 4:20 PM


Re: Hollow Man
yenmor writes:

I have a very interesting idea for a science fiction novel that I plan to work on. And I was hoping to get some more info on the subject or perhaps some insight.

Well, now that makes a lot more sense. It might have been easier to just say this in the beginning.

How can worlds grow and expand and leave a hollow centre?
I agree with everyone here that you won't get an "ordinary" scientific explanation 'cause they don't do that.

This, of course, leaves us with plenty of extraordinary avenues.

You could make-up how planets, themselves, are living creatures. Living creatures that feed on solar energy and have a symbiotic relationship with all the organisms that live upon them.

These planetary-organisms would have evolved in a much different path from the creatures that evolved on them.
Because of those differences... the definition of "life" that they fall within is a bit different from the one we're used to...
And they wouldn't so much be like animals (with brains) as they would be similar to plants (in the sense of just growing and living)...

During the course of their "life"-cycle, planets grow and develop a hollow core as they attempt to increase their surface area for feeding off the sun (moving as much of their mass as possible to the surface).

In order for this (or any other explanation) to work, you'd have to ignore certain scientific findings, though.
You would replace these ignored-findings with your other imaginary observations... such as discovering other (all?) planets also having these hollow cores. You might be able to get away with saying that earth is so small that it only recently reached the point where it started having a hollow core as well...

Or something like that, anyway.


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