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Author Topic:   Question for creationists: Why would you rather believe in a small God?
Theodoric
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Message 130 of 301 (703144)
07-15-2013 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
07-15-2013 8:38 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Humans were around during the time of prehistory. Archaeology and other disciplines prove it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 272 of 301 (706054)
09-05-2013 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Alias
09-05-2013 1:40 PM


Re: Free Agency and Time to do what is RIGHT!
So according to the argument you just laid out, this god character is not all knowing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 280 of 301 (706066)
09-05-2013 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
09-05-2013 3:18 PM


Re: Free Agency and Time to do what is RIGHT!
So his god is not omniscient or omnipotent. And I guess omnipresent is out of the question also.

Maybe he doesn't understand the meaning of words.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 283 of 301 (706074)
09-05-2013 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Alias
09-05-2013 5:49 PM


Re: Free Agency and Time to do what is RIGHT!
None of your arguments are showing an omniscient god or even an omnipotent god. Your arguments are jsut reinforcing the view that your god is not what you claim.

Just felt it should be pointed out. You are so driven by faith you cannot see that your arguments are not helping you.

Basically your argument seems to be that once wsomething is created your god is powerless to intervene.

An all knowing god would have known at creation that child rape would happen. An all powerful god would be able to stop child rape from happening. If your god is such then said god would have to be evil in order to let it happen.

Your god is weak and powerless.

Have you ever tried posting more than claims?

I made no claims. I was pointing out that your posts are not supporting your argument.

You seem like an individual that just rapid posts without thinking before he posts.

If you don't like my posts don't respond. If all you have are personal attacks, move along.

You seem like a person that relies a little too much on faith and not on rational thought at all.

ABE
Length of post does not influence quality.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 284 of 301 (706075)
09-05-2013 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Alias
09-05-2013 3:03 PM


Re: Free Agency and Time to do what is RIGHT!
What would be the point of making a broken plane that can't fly if you wanted it to fly? This is reality and in it there are limits. It does not quantify to god not being all knowing. If god wanted the plane to fly he has to make it not broken and able to fly. This is logical.

You are not helping you argument. You acknowledge you god is limited. Limited in what he knows? Power?

So god wanted children to be raped?

That is the logical extension of your argument.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 287 of 301 (706080)
09-05-2013 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Alias
09-05-2013 8:34 PM


Re: Free Agency and Time to do what is RIGHT!
There is no extent of anything I've said that reads god wanted children to be raped

But that is the logical extension of your argument. If god is all knowing why did he set up something that would allow this to happen. An all knowing god would know it was going to happen. Or do you have another definition for omniscient.
If god was omnipotent he could stop it.
What is your rationale for child rape if your god is omnipotent an/or omniscient?

If god was omnipotent he could stop it.

that god is limited.

Earlier you stated this.

This is reality and in it there are limits.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 291 of 301 (706115)
09-06-2013 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Alias
09-06-2013 12:03 AM


Re: Free Agency and Time to do what is RIGHT!
Not all only is your response stunning, but it is also chilling.

You acknowledge that god knew that child rapes would happen, but claim that is a way of god showing his life?

That you could be so cavalier about it is sad and sickening.

He will not break his own rules even though its heart is broken due to all that child raping.

This does not follow your what you said earlier. Why would his heart be breaking? He has always known it was going to happen.

The anthropomorphizing is kinda disturbing too.

That trust should remind you that god will judge everyone for their deeds and it will bring justice and justification as to why it didn't deal with it immediately.

An all knowing god would know what everyone is going to do. He knows what or deeds will be before they happened.

I presume god knew everything would happen.

Your concept of free will and an all knowing god can not be reconciled.

False. You're confused.

I do not think that I am the confused one.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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