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Author Topic:   Question for creationists: Why would you rather believe in a small God?
NoNukes
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Message 15 of 301 (702789)
07-11-2013 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by yenmor
07-08-2013 12:38 PM


Not a choice
The more I think about it, the more logic tells me that creationists should be on the forefront of scientific discoveries. God created the entire universe with all the principles and everything else that keeps it in place. We, as His children, should be out there finding out more of His creation instead of stifling scientific discoveries wherever possible.

Creationist don't believe in a tiny deity by choice. They follow an interpretation of the Bible that says that modern science produces lies. Their universe was created a few thousand years ago. If light from distant objects appears to suggest something else, then the 'something else' and not the Bible is wrong.

As silly as that seems, it is not as silly as the premise of this thread.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 17 of 301 (702846)
07-11-2013 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
07-10-2013 10:16 PM


He communicates through Nature too, but being fallen we can't be sure we're reading Nature accurately...In which, by the way, He informs us that Nature shows His character too. But you don't see Him there, do you?

Aren't you fallen too? Does it make sense that God deliberately communicates with us in way that we will almost certainly understand?

Since we are in the Accuracy forum, I think it is on topic to point out that there is nothing in the Bible that supports the idea of man becoming less able or capable scientifically after Adam sinned. In fact there is some Biblical support for exactly the opposite.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 19 of 301 (702848)
07-11-2013 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by yenmor
07-10-2013 11:35 PM


Had Newton attributed gravity to God's magic, calculus would never have been invented. That's just one example.

Calculus is most likely a particularly bad example. Most people believe that Leibniz and Newton developed calculus independently. And there is no question that Leibniz invented the differential notation we use today. No one uses Newton's system.

Besides that, is it really so certain that absent Newton and Leibniz that no one would have developed calculus sometime in the last 300+ years?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 31 of 301 (702914)
07-12-2013 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
07-11-2013 9:32 PM


Ah well, believers know what it means even if you don't.

Sure Faith. By definition, no True Scotsman could ever hold an opinion different from yours.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 37 of 301 (702981)
07-13-2013 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
07-13-2013 10:07 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
We'd see Him in Nature if it were. And yes this is because our minds are fallen, we're spiritually blind, and intellectually hindered as well.

And again, this proposition is decidedly non-Biblical. I'm sure you and the people you deign to be Christians do believe it, but it is still non-Biblical. The Bible describes a few technological and intellectual advances for humans even in Genesis, but all of those advances are post Adam and Eve.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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