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Author Topic:   Question for creationists: Why would you rather believe in a small God?
Dr Adequate
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Message 76 of 301 (703070)
07-14-2013 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
07-14-2013 6:33 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Too much to ask.
Why? Oh, right, because you don't agree with 90% of the articles.
Otherwise it would be easy, You'd just have to point out nine articles you don't agree with, and tell me that the rest are fine. But you can't actually bring yourself to do that, can you?
Wherever facts are presented without the usual ridiculous ancient age suppositions attached to them, a YEC has no problem with them.
The facts are always presented without your hallucinations. You add those yourself.
And YECs have problems with lots of facts. Ever tried explaining to one of them what (for example) the second law of thermodynamics is, after creationist shit has been shoveled into his head on that subject? Or try to convince one that beneficial mutations exist, in a similar case? Neither of those things has any bearing on the age of the Earth, but they'll still provoke tantrums in the unfortunate fundie dupe.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Coyote
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Message 77 of 301 (703071)
07-15-2013 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Dr Adequate
07-14-2013 11:51 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Ever tried explaining to one of them what (for example) the second law of thermodynamics is...
I had, on another website, a creationist lecturing me on the laws of thermal documents!
And another telling me, confidently, that the odds against evolution were 1720 against.
They couldn't understand who so many folks were laughing at them.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Faith 
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Message 78 of 301 (703072)
07-15-2013 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Dr Adequate
07-14-2013 11:51 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
I didn't read the link you posted at all, because it is too much to ask that I review a whole course in Geology to confirm my impression that 90% of the sciences are no problem for a YEC. And that IS the impression I got from your very own Geology course here, though I know you don't like that and would much prefer that your own statistic be the case.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 79 of 301 (703073)
07-15-2013 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-15-2013 12:22 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
I didn't read the link you posted at all, because it is too much to ask that I review a whole course in Geology to confirm my impression that 90% of the sciences are no problem for a YEC. And that IS the impression I got from your very own Geology course here, though I know you don't like that and would much prefer that your own statistic be the case.
Faith, that is my very own geology course, and according to you have reviewed it. If you find 90% of it acceptable, you must surely know which 90%.

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Tangle
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Message 80 of 301 (703074)
07-15-2013 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
07-14-2013 6:33 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Faith writes:
Too much to ask. My general statement is good enough. Wherever facts are presented without the usual ridiculous ancient age suppositions attached to them, a YEC has no problem with them.
You're happy to live with the the world as you see it, you just don't like to hear how it got that way because every branch of science tells you that your book is wrong about it.
Your 90% is therefore nonsense; when a scientist describes the molecular structure of a chimp's DNA or a rock's chemical composition you have no concerns, but as soon as we form any useful conclusions and comparisons between other animals and rock formations that would harm your own pet theory, you disagree. And you disagree 100% of the time.
That's daft enough, but you go one step further and make the ludicrous claim that your non-scientific beliefs are compatible with science. That's just crazy.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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jar
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Message 81 of 301 (703075)
07-15-2013 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Tangle
07-15-2013 3:31 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
Or that over 6000 years before Adam humans were living in South Carolina or that 6000 years before Adam they were also living all over the world or ...

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 82 of 301 (703076)
07-15-2013 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Tangle
07-15-2013 3:31 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
Your 90% is therefore nonsense; when a scientist describes the molecular structure of a chimp's DNA or a rock's chemical composition you have no concerns, but as soon as we form any useful conclusions and comparisons between other animals and rock formations that would harm your own pet theory, you disagree. And you disagree 100% of the time.
Certainly I disagree with those supposedly "useful conclusions and comparisons" that aren't useful at all, certainly not in biology, and only because somehow they are pressed into service in the oil industry are they used in Geology, though their necessity may be questioned there as well. But that's only a small part of the sciences in question really, 100% disagreement with five or ten percent.
That's daft enough, but you go one step further and make the ludicrous claim that your non-scientific beliefs are compatible with science. That's just crazy.
Funny, it's simply fact. YECs have no problem with real science, true science, useful science, although you dislike the fact intensely.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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hooah212002
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Message 83 of 301 (703077)
07-15-2013 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-15-2013 9:40 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
YECs have no problem with real science although you dislike the fact intensely.
You can't even agree with the few YEC's here, on EvC, yet you think you are THE representative for all YEC's?

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Coyote
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Message 84 of 301 (703078)
07-15-2013 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-15-2013 9:40 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
YECs have no problem with real science, true science, useful science, although you dislike the fact intensely.
And you define "real science, true science, useful science" as anything that does not contradict your old tribal myths--no matter what the evidence really shows.
What a crock!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 301 (703079)
07-15-2013 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by hooah212002
07-15-2013 9:44 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
There haven't been any other YECs posting here for some time. The current crop of other Creationists are not YECs.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 86 of 301 (703080)
07-15-2013 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Coyote
07-15-2013 9:51 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
Actually I define real science as science that actually works in this world. There's a lot of that. The stuff you want to include is all mental conjurings with no useful purpose.

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Coyote
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Message 87 of 301 (703081)
07-15-2013 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
07-15-2013 10:07 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
The stuff you want to include is all mental conjurings with no useful purpose.
Absolute nonsense.
Why don't you leave science to those who actually know something about it?
"Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Dr Adequate
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Message 88 of 301 (703082)
07-15-2013 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-15-2013 9:40 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
Certainly I disagree with those supposedly "useful conclusions and comparisons" that aren't useful at all, certainly not in biology, and only because somehow they are pressed into service in the oil industry are they used in Geology, though their necessity may be questioned there as well.
Though not by the people whose job it is to find oil.

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ringo
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Message 89 of 301 (703088)
07-15-2013 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
07-15-2013 10:07 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
Faith writes:
Actually I define real science as science that actually works in this world.
As I mentioned earlier, your definition of "real science" leaves out most of what scientists do and most of what shows up in science books.
Edited by ringo, : Spellings.

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Tangle
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Message 90 of 301 (703089)
07-15-2013 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-15-2013 9:40 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
Faith writes:
Funny, it's simply fact. YECs have no problem with real science, true science, useful science, although you dislike the fact intensely
Umm, why would I 'dislike intensely' YECs liking true and useful science? My dislike is reserved for them denying science and then making up lies about it.
Ask yourself why you don't care about Hooks Law, disease theory, valency or electrical resistance. You reserve your science denying only to those areas of science that directly contradict your iron age book. Scientists are apparently only right when you and yours are not looking. Makes you wonder how we build stuff that works.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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