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Author Topic:   Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?
Dr Adequate
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Message 137 of 716 (709078)
10-20-2013 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
07-25-2013 3:44 AM


Re: Two Messiahs or Two Advents?
We are still in the time of grace, when people can still be saved by repentance and faith, but the time of vengeance can't be far off, when there is no more opportunity for salvation.
The time of vengeance sounds like fun. Will there be cake?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 422 of 716 (806462)
04-25-2017 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 414 by Davidjay
04-17-2017 11:56 AM


Re: Daniel 9 is MATH is Science, is TRUE
Your silence is deafening...evolutionists.
Everything you post is bullshit.
There, you got a response. Happy now?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 423 of 716 (806463)
04-25-2017 8:08 PM
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04-13-2017 1:34 AM


Re:
And it is because Enoch was the master builder, that the Great Pyramid in ancient times was called ”Enoch’s Pillar’.
Find me one person in ancient times who called it that or stop making shit up.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 425 of 716 (806494)
04-26-2017 2:02 AM
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04-26-2017 1:25 AM


Re: Enoch's Pillar
So, you can't find a single person in ancient times who called it Enoch's pillar?
Then maybe you should stop saying so.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 446 of 716 (806605)
04-26-2017 8:27 PM
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04-26-2017 10:59 AM


1997
And so just like the Lord created the world in seven 'Literal Days', so He has made seven thousand years as the timeline before He gets us into Eternity when there will be no more counting of days. There is six thousand years of man's history, this being from 4004 B.C. to 1997 A.D. and then the 1,000 year reign of the Lord called the Millenium starts.
It's not been noticeable, has it?
Let's see, 1997 ... Tony Blair became British Prime Minister, Mike Tyson bit that guy's ear off, and Tiger Woods became the youngest person to win the Masters. The first Harry Potter book came out. Scientists in Scotland announced the first mammalian clone.
But no sign of the "1,000 year reign of the Lord called the Millenium" which you say is described in Revelation 20. Obviously the reign of Christ is very low-key.
But I'll tell you what else I didn't notice. 'Cos the millennium is meant to come after the reign of the Beast (Revelation 13) of whom it is written "Power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb".
I didn't notice anything like that happening, did you?
This of course comes after Revelation 9.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
I guess the media must have hushed that up, yes?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 448 of 716 (806609)
04-26-2017 9:37 PM
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04-26-2017 8:53 PM


Re: The Star: outline of the video
It's weird, y'know, when we provide naturalistic explanations for things you get all snippy.

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Message 451 of 716 (806617)
04-26-2017 10:19 PM
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04-26-2017 9:48 PM


Re: 1997, Jacobs Trouble
Instead of telling me silly lies about what I admit, why don't you try to answer the point?
If the Millennium began in 1997, as you claim, then somehow the seven plagues of the seven angels, the worldwide reign of the Beast, and the Second Coming of Christ have all happened without anyone noticing. How come?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 453 of 716 (806629)
04-26-2017 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 10:44 PM


Re: 1997, Jacobs Trouble
Please try to answer the question.
If the Millennium began in 1997, as you claim, then somehow the seven plagues of the seven angels, the worldwide reign of the Beast, and the Second Coming of Christ have all happened without anyone noticing. How come?

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Message 458 of 716 (806672)
04-27-2017 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 455 by Faith
04-27-2017 5:02 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
It has to have appeared to be right over Bethlehem, though, at some period of time, and the orbital stopping point makes the best explanation for that statement in the scripture. Jupiter might not be the star, but in that case it's hard to imagine any other object that would fit the description any better. The Magi were steeped in knowledge of the objects in the sky so the description may be reflecting a short-lived astronomical event that would nevertheless be important in their frame of reference.
But Jupiter goes retrograde every year. The Wise Men can't have thought that that was particularly significant; if they did they'd have turned up in Judea on an annual basis going "Have you seen the Messiah yet? Oh well, better luck next year."
That's what makes this study so exciting, that it's all natural phenomena ...
If you think that's exciting, wait 'til I tell you about this thing we've thought up called evolution, it'll blow your mind. All natural phenomena!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 459 of 716 (806673)
04-27-2017 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 457 by Davidjay
04-27-2017 9:28 AM


Re: 1997, Jacobs Trouble
Please try to answer the question.
If the Millennium began in 1997, as you claim, then somehow the seven plagues of the seven angels, the worldwide reign of the Beast, and the Second Coming of Christ have all happened without anyone noticing. How come?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 462 of 716 (806681)
04-27-2017 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 461 by Davidjay
04-27-2017 9:40 AM


Re: 1997, Jacobs Trouble
I already answered you in full previously ...
You may have replied to my post at length, but I don't see that you answered me in full, or indeed at all.
I would settle for a much shorter answer, so long as it was an answer.
Let's take this a bit at a time. If, as you say, we are living in the Millennium, then the seven plagues of the seven angels has already happened. Why did no-one notice?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 468 of 716 (806700)
04-27-2017 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by Davidjay
04-27-2017 10:00 AM


Re: 1997, Jacobs Trouble
You must understand the basic timeline
I do. It's about time you did too.
The reign of the Beast begins in Revelation 13.
In Revelation 15 and 16 we get the seven angels with the seven last plagues: "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."
In Revelation 19, the Beast is cast into the pit.
And in Revelation 20 Christ begins his thousand year reign alongside "them that [...] had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands".
If we are living in the Millennium, then the reign of the Beast and all the events concomitant with that have already happened, and no-one noticed.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 474 of 716 (806712)
04-27-2017 11:05 AM
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04-27-2017 10:34 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
According to Larson's study, that wasn't the reason they traveled to Bethlehem; it was the conjunction of Jupiter with Venus, making the brightest celestial object in a lifetime.
But conjunctions of Venus and Jupiter also happen every year.

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Message 485 of 716 (806731)
04-27-2017 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 476 by Faith
04-27-2017 11:08 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
Not of this particular closeness ...
Which was how much exactly?
ABE: He also says that this particular conjunction is shown in planetariums at Christmas time, which if so would imply it is considered to have been something special.
By people who buy his hypothesis.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 494 of 716 (806745)
04-27-2017 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by Faith
04-27-2017 11:30 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
.ABE: Excahyoose me, but the ability of the scientifically minded of EvC to allow themselves to have a wild opinion WITHOUT BOTHERING ABOUT THE EVIDENCE is really amazing.
So far I have expressed the opinions that Jupiter goes retrograde once a year, and that conjunctions of Jupiter with Venus happen once a year. These opinions are neither wild nor unevidenced.

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