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Author Topic:   Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?
Davidjay 
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Message 646 of 716 (807053)
04-30-2017 2:36 PM
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04-30-2017 2:26 PM


Re: The Star: Common Occurrences Together Become Rare
I repeat and Faith confirms that all Messianic prophecies have already been fulfilled..

If you doubt this, so be it, the future King of the world will try to say he is the Christ and Messiah, believe him and take His Mark of the Beast..

Your choice and your responsibility

SEE http://www.davidjayjordan.com/...heciesfulfilledbyJesus.html

Its straight from Jesus is Lord website

Your denials dont alter the facts, and dont negate Jesus and His KINGSHIP.

Hes not your King, no problem, another King is awaiting you....and hes definitely not a king... the AC


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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ringo
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Message 647 of 716 (807055)
04-30-2017 2:42 PM
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04-30-2017 2:36 PM


Re: The Star: Common Occurrences Together Become Rare
Davidjay writes:

I repeat and Faith confirms that all Messianic prophecies have already been fulfilled..
If you doubt this, so be it, the future King of the world will try to say he is the Christ and Messiah, believe him and take His Mark of the Beast..


You contradict yourself. The FUTURE King of the world has not been fulfilled yet.

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Message 648 of 716 (807057)
04-30-2017 2:59 PM
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04-30-2017 2:23 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
Weird . The correspondence between the woman of Revelation 12 and the image of Virgo rising with the moon at her feet on Rosh Hashana 3 BC is undeniable. and there is no other possible equation with anything astrological-- except the exact same image of Virgo at some other time if it exists --though it keeps being said there should be lots of them. If that were true somebody here would have produced it by now in their zeal not to have to acknowledge that this is a divine communication that would shake their world to its core if they acknowledged it.

There are no copies of this.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 649 of 716 (807061)
04-30-2017 3:12 PM
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04-30-2017 2:59 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
Faith writes:

The correspondence between the woman of Revelation 12 and the image of Virgo rising with the moon at her feet on Rosh Hashana 3 BC is undeniable.


I didn't deny it. I compared it to the correspondence between Superman and Superman.

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Message 650 of 716 (807062)
04-30-2017 3:18 PM
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04-30-2017 3:12 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
You trivialized it, mocked it. Same thing.

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ringo
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Message 651 of 716 (807064)
04-30-2017 3:24 PM
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04-30-2017 3:18 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
Faith writes:

You trivialized it, mocked it. Same thing.


I suggested that it appears to be fiction. You're the one who trivializes fiction. You'd rather believe that outlandish nonsense is literally true.

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Davidjay 
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Message 652 of 716 (807068)
04-30-2017 6:33 PM
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04-30-2017 2:42 PM


Re: Future King is the AC
The future King as I mentioned in Revelation 13 thread about His economics and you taking His Mark of the Beast is not the Messiah, but the Anti-Christ, also called the Beast.

So Yes, Ringo, your King if you choose and love him, is coming in the Future, and awaits in the wings to replace Putin.

But the Messiah who has already come is Jesus, as Jesus fulfilled all the 90 prophecies concerning himself.

Choose your king or KING, the AC or Jesus.

Your choice your responsibility.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Faith
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Message 653 of 716 (807097)
04-30-2017 9:31 PM
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04-30-2017 3:24 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
What "outlandish" fiction are you talkinga about? The woman of Revelation 12 is a VISION, the constellation Virgo is a sign found in the stars. What's the fiction? That John had a vision? That he had that particujlar vision? That Virgo doesn't designate a constellation in the Zodiac? What on earth are you talking aboujt?

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ringo
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Message 654 of 716 (807200)
05-01-2017 11:37 AM
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04-30-2017 6:33 PM


Re: Future King is the AC
Davidjay writes:

So Yes, Ringo, your King if you choose and love him, is coming in the Future, and awaits in the wings to replace Putin.


And as long as the event is still in the Future, it is NOT fulfilled.

In the Present, it is not possible to tell the difference between an unfulfilled prophecy and a failed prophecy.


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ringo
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Message 655 of 716 (807202)
05-01-2017 11:38 AM
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04-30-2017 9:31 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
Faith writes:

The woman of Revelation 12 is a VISION, the constellation Virgo is a sign found in the stars. What's the fiction?


Signs found in the stars are fiction.

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Message 656 of 716 (807210)
05-01-2017 12:08 PM
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05-01-2017 11:38 AM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
But they are there fiction or not. They are even in the astronomy program. Since they are there, what they are has reality and since the reality of Virgo at Rosh Hashana exactly fits the description of the woman in Revelation 12, calling it "fiction" is some kind of self-delusion.

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ringo
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Message 657 of 716 (807213)
05-01-2017 12:16 PM
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05-01-2017 12:08 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
Faith writes:

Since they are there, what they are has reality...


The celestial events are there but the connection to anything in the Bible is pure fantasy. An eclipse is real but thinking it's a dragon eating the sun is not.

Faith writes:

since the reality of Virgo at Rosh Hashana exactly fits the description of the woman in Revelation 12, calling it "fiction" is some kind of self-delusion.


Do you know what fiction is? Fiction IS deliberately making up something that is NOT real and connecting it to something that IS real. Long John Silver is connected to pirates and the Caribbean and Bristol, all of which are real - but Long john Silver is not real. Some readers may be deluded into thinking fiction is real but the ones who recognize fiction as fiction are not the deluded ones.

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Faith
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Message 658 of 716 (807230)
05-01-2017 1:42 PM
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05-01-2017 12:16 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
The celestial events are there but the connection to anything in the Bible is pure fantasy. An eclipse is real but thinking it's a dragon eating the sun is not.

The connection is on the astronomy program. It's right there, the entire image, it isn't made up, it's exactly the image of the Revelation 12 woman, exactly, sun, moon stars, the works..

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 659 of 716 (807231)
05-01-2017 1:53 PM
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05-01-2017 12:16 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
So John had a vision of this fictional astrological woman. It happens to be describable in the same terms as his vision. You can't make it disappear by calling it fiction. Fiction, fine, but made up or not it's there, it has a name, it has attributes, and the Revelation 12 woman has the same ones.

Categorical thinking set in concrete seems to be everyone's problem here.


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Message 660 of 716 (807232)
05-01-2017 1:54 PM
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05-01-2017 1:42 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
The connection is on the astronomy program. It's right there, the entire image, it isn't made up, it's exactly the image of the Revelation 12 woman, exactly, sun, moon stars, the works..

Absent the astrology, where is the woman?


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