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Topic: If God Ever Stopped Intervening In Nature....
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 204 of 708 (729143)
06-06-2014 12:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 176 by ringo
06-01-2014 2:37 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
ringo writes: When (and if) you ever give us an example of absolute truth, that will be an example of something I don't doubt. True = True, absolutely. Do you doubt that?
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 209 of 708 (729232)
06-07-2014 12:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 207 by ringo
06-06-2014 11:42 AM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
You couldn't get any more trivial if you tried. Seriously, can't you believers in Absolute Truth come up with anything? Was it so simple, that it blew right past you? How about these: A is A 2 + 2 = 4 Gravity Do you think there aren't any absolute truths?
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 215 of 708 (729252)
06-07-2014 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 210 by NoNukes
06-07-2014 8:37 AM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
NoNukes writes: So what impression do you think examples like "True = True" and "2 + 2 = 4" make... That you absolutely cannot get around the Law of Identity, though I'm sure you have a song and dance for it no doubt. QM perhaps? That's usually the crutch you guys lean on.
NoNukes whiningly writes: ...other than showing your utter disdain for the participants. You just don't give a crap, do you? This is referred to as projection.
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 221 of 708 (729264)
06-07-2014 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by ringo
06-07-2014 12:29 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
As I have said, A is A and 2 + 2 = 4 are true by definition. Was an asteroid an asteroid 5 bya, before anyone was around to assign a definition to it? Or was it also at the same exact time not an asteroid?
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 226 of 708 (729273)
06-07-2014 2:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 224 by NoNukes
06-07-2014 1:08 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
You seem to be a pretty smart guy. Well that's what I tell my wife anyways.
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 227 of 708 (729274)
06-07-2014 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 225 by ringo
06-07-2014 1:11 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
Do you understand the difference between absolute and objective? Probably not according to you, so please tell me what you think the difference is.
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 229 of 708 (729280)
06-07-2014 2:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
06-07-2014 2:24 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
If truth is only objective, then we're forced to doubt the existence of the laws of logic and physics, prior to our objective perceptions of them, since we weren't always around to observe them.
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 231 of 708 (729284)
06-07-2014 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 230 by ringo
06-07-2014 2:48 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
Without absolute truths, there can be no actual reality. Scientific predictions would be impossible, past observations would be extremely suspect (if not impossible as well) and ultimately we would have nothing but absolute chaos (pun intended). You wouldn't even be able to trust your own analysis of this very subject. We would know nothing at all.
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
Dr Adequate writes: Did you mean to put "objective" in that sentence? Yes, I was responding to ringo's use of the word objective:
ringo writes: Objective is something that people can agree on, like the length of a two-by-four. They've set aside their personal opinions. There is an inherent uncertainty in any objective observation because it's a combination of subjective observations. The objective length of the two-by-four is an average accompanied by an estimate of how uncertain it is.
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faceman
Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: 04-25-2014
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Message 254 of 708 (729350)
06-09-2014 9:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 232 by ringo
06-07-2014 3:23 PM
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Re: ‘Absolut Truth’ ‘trivial’? !?!?!
Based on past observtions, I can predict that the sun will rise in the east. But you doubt the laws of physics, so how can you make any predictions, if you doubt the science your predictions are based on?
I appreciate the pun but what would "absolute" chaos even be? Infinite entropy? Absolute chaos is hard to imagine, but I suppose it would be a universe devoid of any logic at all. Nothing could be relied upon. No uniformity of any kind. Either that, or an afternoon at the DMV.
We would know nothing absolutely but we could still know things objectively. Even if we don't know absolutely that the sun will "rise" tomorrow, we can still plan our day. We can know that A is A absolutely. Or that True cannot also be False at the same time.
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