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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the WORD of God or the WORD of Satan?
Dawn Bertot
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Message 31 of 52 (705416)
08-26-2013 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Percy
08-24-2013 4:45 PM


If we're talking about the Old Testament, I don't think it casts either in a favorable light.
You asked whether the Bible was the word of God or Satan, but the answer is neither. Men (and women) of all ilks wrote every book ever written, including the Bible.
While am always appreciative for the opportunity to participate here at the EVC, it is nothing less than comical that without even the influence or participation of believers in certain threads, you fellas just cant help talking about the Bible.
Never the Koran, the Book of Mormon or anyother religious document, just the Bible
Now I know you will not agree, but this speaks volumes about what you fellas are really thinking about and what you are really worried about
Now my next statement you will pooh pooh away and thats ok. Without even being aware of it the Lord has taken a website or means of communicating, that is meant to disapprove and discredit the Bible and turned it into a vehicle for his truth and the spread of his truth
Thats the reason you dont ever discuss in detail other religious documents because you know instinctively they are not reliable, dependable and truthful
The Bible on the other hand gives you much trouble, both in your inner mind and private life
So I suppose its necessary to spend alot of time trying to discredit it, even amoung yourselves
I sware, Ive never ever seen the likes of such a thing. The Lord certainly does move in mysterious ways
You guys are walking contradiction. I honestly do hope that with spending that much time in the Word of God, you finally come to a knowledge of the truth
Love,
Dawn Bertot
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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 52 (705417)
08-26-2013 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dawn Bertot
08-26-2013 9:29 PM


Do you have anything on topic or did you just stop by to preach and be a general pain in the ass?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 33 of 52 (705418)
08-26-2013 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Theodoric
08-26-2013 9:34 PM


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Dawn Bertot
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Message 34 of 52 (705419)
08-26-2013 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Theodoric
08-26-2013 9:34 PM


Do you have anything on topic or did you just stop by to preach and be a general pain in the ass?
Its not an actual argument verses an observation, as i am fond of pointing out, but an observation nonetheless.
You are free to take it or leave it. I deal strickly in reason and correct observation
You really should ask yourself why you do that though
Jeez Sooooooorrry
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Percy
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Message 35 of 52 (705437)
08-27-2013 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dawn Bertot
08-26-2013 9:29 PM


Hi Dawn,
We're interested in the Bible because of people such as yourself who use it as the basis for various absurd claims, such as that homosexuality is an abomination, a point touched on in this scene of President Bartlet excoriating a Dr. Laura-like talk show host in The West Wing:
Stop pushing the absurd claims onto the rest of the nation and we'll stop being interested.
And giving a nod to the topic, the Bible was written by men.
--Percy
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 36 of 52 (705548)
08-28-2013 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Percy
08-27-2013 9:05 AM


Stop pushing the absurd claims onto the rest of the nation and we'll stop being interested.
What you and other disgusting liberals mean by the above statement, is that we should not be allowed to have an opinion and if we have one we had better not express it
Unlike those that think Homosexuality is ok. They are allowed to think it, express it, march about it have governmental laws changed on the basis of sexual prefernce and the such like
However, if we even have an opinion about it and ever express it, the law comes down on you for it
I believe you are what people useto call facists. You dont want some people to even have an opinion
You do realize that is how facisim starts right? Facists were not there one day, then the next day they were. They had a growing and starting point. And you and others devices to take away someones opinion and the ability to express it is how it starts
You and others that want to take away someones right to even have an opinion are facists
Wouldnt you agree? Are you a facist Percy?
BTW, the Martin Sheen clip was of course directed at someone unqualified to answer his question. A first year seminary student could respond to most of his queries. Seriously Percy, do you guys ever listen to anything written here by us.
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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 52 (705555)
08-28-2013 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Dawn Bertot
08-28-2013 8:45 PM


This may be something, but it ain't Fascism
Obviously you have no idea what fascism is. You should do some research and learn about fascism and then return and try to make a coherent post. All you are doing by making these comments about fascism, is showing your ignorance and looking like a buffoon. You may very well have some sort of point, but by using a word that you have no idea what it means; fascism; your are not making a point, you are looking like an idiot.
If you want to discuss fascism and any other political system make an OP and lets discuss.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 38 of 52 (705556)
08-28-2013 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Theodoric
08-28-2013 11:07 PM


Re: This may be something, but it ain't Fascism
Obviously you have no idea what fascism is. You should do some research and learn about fascism and then return and try to make a coherent post. All you are doing by making these comments about fascism, is showing your ignorance and looking like a buffoon. You may very well have some sort of point, but by using a word that you have no idea what it means; fascism; your are not making a point, you are looking like an idiot.
If you want to discuss fascism and any other political system make an OP and lets discuss.
Its always more interesting in debate when a person actually address the argument you made. Since you chose to spent your time attacking, Ill assume you have nothing to say.
But to be fair Ill give you another chance
Lets try again. Do you have an actual response to my argument[/qs]
fascism starts with an ideology you idiot, exacally the one I discribed in that context
If you feel like I have misrepresented it or liberals like Hilary Clinton, please feel free to start. My guess is that just like the NT thread, youll make few idiotic comments then bow out.
Thats not debating. Address the points I made
Dawn Bertot

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Message 39 of 52 (705557)
08-28-2013 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dawn Bertot
08-26-2013 9:29 PM


it is nothing less than comical that without even the influence or participation of believers in certain threads, you fellas just cant help talking about the Bible.
This particular thread happens to be about the Bible. It should not be much of a surprise that posters in the thread, well with the apparent exception of you, are talking about the Bible.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Theodoric
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Message 40 of 52 (705559)
08-28-2013 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Dawn Bertot
08-28-2013 11:17 PM


Re: This may be something, but it ain't Fascism
As you started with the off topic posts and attacks, I believe it is incumbent upon you to address the points and not make attacks.
or liberals like Hilary Clinton
Something else you are clueless and uneducated about. Hillary Clinton is no liberal.
Its always more interesting in debate when a person actually address the argument you made.
There was no argument made. I was pointing out that your lack of knowledge what fascism is made you look like a buffoon.
My guess is that just like the NT thread, youll make few idiotic comments then bow out.
Pot meet kettle.
fascism starts with an ideology
Yes, finally something that is correct.
exacally the one I discribed in that context
First of all the words are "exactly" and "described". Next, you didn't describe an ideology. All you did was attack people as being fascists when you had no idea what the term even means. Since you seem incapable of actually checking the meaning of the term I will give you a couple links. Maybe you can read them and get back to us.
Fascism - Wikipedia
Fascism Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
Fascist is not a term you can accurately use to make the point you are trying to make.
Address the points I made
You made no on topic posts.
I was pointing out that your post had no validity, because you were obviously ignorant about the term fascism. Are these people fascists or liberals? They can not be both.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 41 of 52 (705562)
08-29-2013 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by NoNukes
08-28-2013 11:22 PM


This particular thread happens to be about the Bible. It should not be much of a surprise that posters in the thread, well with the apparent exception of you, are talking about the Bible.
Im prestty sure the site admin guy brought up the point about homosexuality and accusing us of hatred
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 42 of 52 (705563)
08-29-2013 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Theodoric
08-28-2013 11:48 PM


Re: This may be something, but it ain't Fascism
Fascist is not a term you can accurately use to make the point you are trying to make.
Hold on simpleton and you will see the light. Fascism is a term it does not really exist. The properties that I described of mind control and not allowing someones opinion to be expressed, are contained in the idea of the word
The fascists controlled peoples minds and opinions and even killed them
Please address the actual argumet.
Yes Hillary Clinton is a flaming liberal
Dawn Bertot
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Percy
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Message 43 of 52 (705564)
08-29-2013 12:12 AM
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08-28-2013 8:45 PM


Well, Dawn, if you're going to insist on being absurd and ridiculous, could you at least be on-topic about it? This isn't the Coffee House, it's a forum for constructive discussion. Do you have anything to say about Biblical authorship?
--Percy

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 44 of 52 (705565)
08-29-2013 12:15 AM
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08-29-2013 12:12 AM


Well, Dawn, if you're going to insist on being absurd and ridiculous, could you at least be on-topic about it? This isn't the Coffee House, it's a forum for constructive discussion. Do you have anything to say about Biblical authorship?
Plenty. But when would a person get to address your indirect implications about our alledged ridiculous views on homosexuality. Cant just let it pass, unless you order me not to write about it.
Which I suspect is on the way

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Theodoric
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Message 45 of 52 (705591)
08-29-2013 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Dawn Bertot
08-29-2013 12:11 AM


Re: This may be something, but it ain't Fascism
Do you have any idea of what the topic of this thread is even about?
I guess the lashing out with personal attacks shows you realize that your comments are ridiculous. You don't even have an argument.
If you really want to discuss political systems and whether certain people fall into a particular political category, maybe you should start a thread on it.
Oh yeah, it will be very interesting to read your "reasoning", of how a person can be both a liberal and a fascist.
As far as addressing your "argument"; I will as soon as you present one. But please, if you cannot be bothered by reading the OP, at least read the title of the thread.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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