-Moral Standard In All of Humanity-

So you assert.But where is this absolute standard?How does everyone discern that standard? What does that have to do with anything? Why could we not live a good life? Morality is subjective and constantly changing. How utterly wrong can you get. If society says murder is wrong, then it is wrong. If society says theft is unacceptable, then it is unacceptable.It really is as simple as that. Nonsense. Totally unrelated and irrelevant nonsense.First, we may believe there is a God but we do not know that.Second, if God exists God could very well be Loki.Third there is NO reason for any such standards. What is right and moral in one era, one milieu may well be immoral in another.Edited by jar, : goo +d

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yes. It most certainly is. Read the Bible. Well, you failed.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What? You asked a simple yes or no question and I answered the simple yes or no question. Stumped? In your dreams perhaps.Read the Bible. God commands folk to go out and kill and pillage. Those that do not follow Gods commandment are punished.In that society, to not kill and steal was immoral. So you continue to assert even when presented with evidence that refutes your position.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ah the old shell game again. Why do you folk just regurgitate the Chick Tract arguments without thinking them through?Can I get independent confirmation of how my parents felt about me?Can I get independent confirmation of your existence?Can I even get someone who doesn't believe that you exist (for example the robot crawlers from Google that index the web) to verify the same evidence I have that you exist?Can I get independent confirmation of God's existence?Can I even get someone who doesn't believe that God exists (for example the robot crawlers from Google that index the web) to verify the existence of God?Stop and think. Don't just accept the really stupid examples that the Fundies throw out as facT.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No, not much. When you bring up silly old arguments like this one it only tells me you have not thought the issue through.Now if you reread the answers to the questions I asked you will see that you agree that it is possible to get independent confirmation of all the issues you raised.When I asked though "Can I get independent confirmation of God's existence?", you simply started playing the old shell game. You replied: That is the classic response I would expect for those raised in the Non-Thinking Christian Churches, the Cult of Ignorance Churches. I doubt that you even noticed what you were doing.Look again at the questions I asked. They were in the exact same format as the last question. You had no problem understanding the word "independent" in any of the prior questions, but when I place God in the sentence you shut your brain down.Does the question makes you uncomfortable?Why don't you want to ask if you can get independent confirmation of God's existence?Why do you want to insist on claiming you "Know" something that you only believe?This might at first seem off topic, however it goes directly back to the question. Folk claim they Know God and so they Know some Moral Standard exists.Well, they are all wrong. They are as wrong as if they claimed 2 + 2 = 5.They are wrong NOT because the answers are difficult but because they refuse to even ask the Questions.Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Read what you actually write. Huh? You know or you believe? What does that have to do with what I asked? Knowing that your relationship with someone is personal is entirely different than knowing that the person exists.I know that my relationship with my mother was very personal. That would be true regardless of whether or not she really existed.I can though "Know" that my mother existed. There are several reasons.

• at the time I was born the probability of being born other than from a woman was near zero.
• I have photographs of my mother that others can see and examine.
• I can check with others who also met my mother.

While there is always the possibility that the person claiming to be my mother was NOT actually my mother, I could through DNA testing verify even that.But no such tests can be performed on GOD. Again covering all bases? You believe? Or do you know?God-morality? What is that? Is it sold by the pound, the liter, the gallon? Is it measured in feet or inches? Or wrong. Or confusing some internal musings with an external reality, or only understand part of what happened. There are many possible explanations.But what does "when I got saved" mean? Are you saved? Saved from what? How exactly have you been changed?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Why?Why limit yourself to simply the Absolute?I doubt you have ever really been in nature but I can tell you from experience that it is an something one never forgets.Take a few weeks off and hike part of the Appalachian Trail.When you actually get into a forest (and most Americans have never been there) ABSOLUTE is about 10 yards in front of you, about three yards on each side.Absolute is the next step, how to get around THIS fall, am I still on the trail?In the end though it does come down to doing.Thinking about hiking the AT is not hiking the AT. Thinkers are okay, but they are pretty much useless. It is fine to think about hiking the Trail, or think about Justice, but in the end it comes down as always to doing.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Odds are you can actually make progress on the 'Appalachian Trail' while 'Absolute Truth' will forever remain a myth and fantasy.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

"Truly True?" What the hell does that mean?And where has ANYONE made such a silly statement?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Huh?The problem in most cases there simply is no truly true or Absolute Truth.You can say that 2 + 2 = 4 is absolutely true.So far though, no one has been able to present an absolute moral. What does perfection have to do with absolute? Try to stick with one subject. What makes you think Absolute Morality would be perfection? Of course some absolutes exit. But "Absolute Truth" or "Absolute Morality"? I haven't a clue what they might be.Frankly, they sound like totally useless constructs. Pointless and inane.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Again, what you have posted has nothing to do with what I said.I do not deny that there are Absolutes.I have never seen anyone present an example of Absolute Morality or Absolute Truth.To say that Jesus is some Absolute Standard might be fine if it had any meaning and wasn't just jabberwocky.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion