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djufo
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Message 165 of 224 (737962)
10-02-2014 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coyote
08-23-2013 11:33 AM


- Not all humans died during the flood.
- The flood did not cover all land, mostly the coastal areas were the first civilizations were created.
- Although scientists invent fictional scenarios, historical data from previous civilizations put the flood around 10-13,000 years ago.

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djufo
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Message 174 of 224 (738043)
10-04-2014 12:23 PM


Well, it would be A LOT of information to post in one single thread, but no worries. I have answers for everything. Or so I believe.

The key mistake ALL of you do over and over again, is the use of words such as "believe" and "myth" keep in mind, you grew up brainwashed with those words. You grew up brainwashed with an image that we are monkeys, we evolved from monkeys, you are nothing more than a monkey, and anything exceptional you are able to do is just random occurrence of nature.

Come out of the box. You don't "believe". You either know or do not know. Do not listen or follow those who try to convince you to believe, or convince you to not believe.

"Myth" has never been related to something false, fake, non existent. The misconception of the significance of the word "myth" has been perverted by a bunch of clowns AKA "scientists" who just like a well structured religion, are followers of a sect which at the top has a specific agenda.

The meaning of "myth" is "an attempt to interpret the divine" That is all. No more, no less. So any time you see something cataloged as "myth" by the "experts", your brain automatically relates that to "bullshit", "non-important", "joke" Remove that view. It is put in that bag by the "experts" because either they don't have a clue what it is, it is so beyond their explanation capabilities, or they want to hide something that they consider you are not supposed to know.

As far as the flood, it is too large to post here every single archaeological research and study, but to provide some information, in the early 20th century the ancient cities of Ur, Kish, Shuruppak, were discovered. And this is just to name a few. Now keep in mind, these cities were ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY know before through passages of the bible (Mythology?) the discovery of them definitely closed the mouth of many at that time when they realized it was exactly the same cities mentioned in the bible. All these cities, share one common characteristic. Upon excavation, you find remains of settlements, then you have a layer of ancient mud or thin soil, then 8-13 feet below, you have new remains of civilization. Different carbon dating, although not completely accurate due to the exposure of high radiation levels in the area at that time, suggest evidence of a general flood at multiple different times. Some studies suggest 2,000-3,000 BCE, others suggest 5,000 BCE.

So how we support evidence. Well, all ancient civilizations in the middle east wrote about a great flood in their recent past. More in detail, they specifically explained how and why it happened. Around 10,000-13,000 the planet was still coming out of the last age. The best habitable zone in the planet was of course close to the Equator. This put us EXACTLY where the first human civilizations were created and were the creation took place, mesopotamia. Today southern Iraq. According to ancient data, in those days, a large portion of ice separated from a cap traveling close to the equator, melting, and causing the sea level to raise.

I'm getting lost with all the inquiries, but somebody mentioned that at some point in our past there was an "agricultural revolution" and any information about a flood is so old that would have been just oral, Information from mouth to mouth. LOL. It was not he case. Between 3 and 6, and some put it up to 8,000 years ago, we had the Sumerian civilization. They wrote every single detail of their existence, and like it or not, our existence, in clay tablets. In a language called Sumerian cuneiform. A language with a writing system way more advanced and complex than our modern languages. In those days, there was no such thing as an "agricultural revolution" those are the semantics used by the "experts" to make you "believe" that things just happen by random coincidence. Like a lightning bolt striking the soil and creating life. Sumerians showed up in the picture with advanced farming techniques, writing, the wheel, mathematics and geometry, astronomy, astrology and many other advanced knowledge. They wrote over and over again, they never invented or figured out anything. They receive the knowledge and training from "the heavens" Beings coming down from the heavens (sky, space, remember mythology: and ATTEMPT to interpret the divine, unknowkn) with wings (Again mythology: the only thing that can come down from above in those days is a bird. If a human being comes down from above, therefore HAS to have wings. Again, mythology: attempting to interpret the divine through a process of logic)

Anyways, going back to the flood, your modern common sense tells you "oh, to have a sudden rise of sea levels big enough to cause a flood. the global temperature has to have risen significantly" not necessarily, since we have the alleged big mass of ice coming up to the equator and melting at a fast pace.

So since not all humans died with the flood, then what was the point of it? there is vast information about, it but it will be for a different post, on a different day.


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djufo
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Message 176 of 224 (738058)
10-04-2014 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Coyote
10-04-2014 1:52 PM


If you've been reading online. I don't know how you haven't come across article like this http://science.howstuffworks.com/.../storms/great-flood1.htm but that's just one of many. And the only they do is just repeating what ancient civilizations already wrote thousands of years ago. Of course modern "experts" add the assumption that maybe comets struck the planet but that's just science fiction.

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djufo
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Message 178 of 224 (738071)
10-04-2014 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Coyote
10-04-2014 4:19 PM


Have you excavated and tested the area of mesopotamia which is the area where the most common historical data of an ancient flood comes from?

P.S. Define "myth"


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djufo
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Message 180 of 224 (738078)
10-04-2014 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by RAZD
10-04-2014 4:54 PM


Re: Curiously 8,000 years is less than 10,000 years
What makes you think that I am the one "discovering" these things? I did not write any of the information about our creation. I am repeating what was written thousands of years ago. Who are you to disprove what our ancestors knew about our origins? all of a sudden we have a bunch of modern nerds coming up with science fiction movies of monkeys learning to write and speak. How do you prove that an "agricultural revolution" started in the hills? LMAO what do you guys smoke to come up with such ridiculous ideas! There was never anything like an "agricultural revolution" lol revolution my **s!

If you would like to educate yourself about history, research and read about the information provided by ancient civilizations. All the answers are there, not in the fictional books dictated and forced by a federal agency (doe)

You have failed to prove a single thing you said. So because I cannot find any remains of your great great great grandfather I should assume by your brilliant logical process that he never existed correct? Any mention of his, is pure myth.


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djufo
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Message 183 of 224 (738100)
10-04-2014 10:25 PM
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10-04-2014 6:01 PM


Coyote: Have you excavated and tested the area of mesopotamia which is the area where the most common historical data of an ancient flood comes from?

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djufo
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Message 184 of 224 (738101)
10-04-2014 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by RAZD
10-04-2014 7:45 PM


Re: Curiously 8,000 years is less than 10,000 years
I am sorry to tell you that the collection of your empirical data is full of flaws. Therefore your research is completely invalid. How can you prove that your fantastic story of hill farmers were the transition to the later cities of Ur and Uruk?

Or even better, what can you tell about the Sumerian knowledge of 9 celestial bodies plus the Sun in the center? was it "myth" too? oh no is not myth because we can actually see today 9 celestial bodies with the Sun in the center. Nobody cares about what the "experts" say today. The history is already written.


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djufo
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Message 198 of 224 (738331)
10-08-2014 11:53 PM


Percy Bravo! You still have that curiosity that has not been absolutely erased from the "scientific" religion. That is how you learn and use common sense to unite dots. I understand other are too late to use intellectual capabilities for the same purpose but perhaps we can educate new generations on reason and logic instead of "belief" of what another average mortal claim to be the absolute truth. All these clowns and "experts" basically want people to "believe" that somehow we are the maximum expression of life in the universe. We are the shit. Nothing or nobody can be better than us. We know it all, and we have it all. Wrong. We are nobody. We are an extremely primitive species still secluded to our own planet. We were with defects (around 1000 genetic defects since human genome was deciphered)

In the Sumerian cylinder you posted, it is interesting. You logic tell you, is not valid, because it shows they "believed" (again the classic word" in 11 celestial bodies. Wrong again. Sumerians did not believe in anything. They had the KNOWLEDGE of 12 celestial bodies. By 12? they count 9 planets, including Pluto, plus the moon 10, the Sun 11 (in the center, just like we know today) plus one more large planet in an elliptical orbit around the sun going all the way out possibly beyond the oort cloud. Another detail. Sumerian always refer to earth as the 7th planet. Why 7th if we are in reality the 3rd rock from the sun? simple. If you're flying from the outside, counting in, earth is the 7th. I didn't say that. They said it so don't blame me. Are they incorrect saying that the sun is the center??, 9 planets around plus the moon around the earth?? why that is not myth? only because you were able to see it?? who are you to question their knowledge. What makes you better than them. What have you achieved, if all your materials and data can be dissolved by nature in a few hundred years while their clay tablets are still intact. They name a 12th planet. Known today as planet x proposed by some as responsible of the disturbances in the orbits of some of the gas giants. Known throughout history and ancient civilizations with multiple names. The destroyer, nemesis to name a couple.


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djufo
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Message 210 of 224 (738389)
10-09-2014 6:09 PM
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10-09-2014 4:27 AM


How do you know nobody is aware of a large size object beyond the oort cloud? Do you have faith in those who decide what you are allowed to know as the truth?

And again, Sumerians didn't discover anything. They didn't have any equipment or technology nor superman eyes. They specifically say the knowledge was passed by the creators. Don't blame me, don't blame them, they just wrote their daily experiences. If you wanna blame or question somebody, question those who came here and created humans. The proof is this same conversation. We question our own existence and origin.


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djufo
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Message 215 of 224 (738577)
10-12-2014 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Percy
10-09-2014 8:06 PM


Good. I agree with you, because you're thinking out of the box. And I give to you the same example I gave before to somebody else. Based on that critical thinking, Why should all of us "believe" that George Washington and the founding fathers really existed? Do we "believe" just as a common social agreement, or is it that we have his body mummified somewhere for all of us to see? At the end of the day, any "proof" we have is the word of men. But is it the word of men absolutely accurate? Just like in this case the information provided by ancient civilizations? George Washington and the Founding fathers could have perfectly been a mythology created during the times of the revolutionary war. People were severely stressed, fighting for their lives, in horrible conditions, as a way to unify, motivate they could have perfectly created this higher group of beings called the founding fathers. And this is very possible the view of the future generations could have about them. We "believe" today they existed because after all, it just happened a few hundred years ago. In historical time that's yesterday. But as civilization age, should the view of Americans 3,000 years in the future be the same? will they question the birth of that ancient nation?
Exactly the same process of critical thinking and logic applies to ancient civilizations and the information they gave us. We question everything they said. Do we earn that right because we are thousands of years ahead? Does time and technology justify erasing history and attempting to rewrite it? All this is the philosophical phenomenon we should put in the table before insulting ourselves stating that we are cousins of moneys and nothing more.

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djufo
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Message 216 of 224 (738580)
10-12-2014 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by NoNukes
10-09-2014 9:14 PM


Well, it does match the solar system. The 9 planets are there, plus the moon, the sun, and an x planet. In fact, Uranus for example was know to the Sumerians as "mash.sig" meaning "bright greenish" Mythology. True. Since we can't see Uranus with our naked eyes to say that is bright green. However, when the voyager 2 passed by in the 70's, "scientists" in their brilliant majesty discovered that Uranus is "bright greenish" Their brains probably collapsed at that point but they quickly stopped talking about it.

As you said, there is no way to know if sumerians were right or wrong about a large planet beyond the oort cloud. However, that does not means they are automatically wrong. In the last few decades there has been a huge interest by NASA and the Vatican to deploy infrared spectrum telescopes in orbit. Do we have open access to see through those telescopes and point them where we need 24/7? No. All of you probably don't remember what happened with Telescope Iras in 1983 And the news of the discovery of a large body outside of the inner solar system.


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