The Human Eating-Speaking System - Bad Design?

Message 16 of 27 (706922) 09-19-2013 4:21 PM

Oh, and P.S.
If you are daft enough to choke to death while eating and talking, then that would be one more idiot selected out of the breeding population.

Edited by 1.61803, : P.S.

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Message 17 of 27 (706969) 09-20-2013 8:38 AM

Reply to: Message 14 by caffeine 09-19-2013 9:22 AM

If you want to let me find the evidence for your theory, then I will present some.

Just don't expect it to be particular good evidence that I find.

On the other hand, if you can think of something real solid that supports your claims, bring it forward.

Message 18 of 27 (707140) 09-24-2013 5:12 AM

Reply to: Message 17 by Jon 09-20-2013 8:38 AM

Sorry for slow reply, I had overlooked your reply until now.

My sarcastic response with the Google was because I didn't really understand why you were asking me for evidence. You wouldn't ask me for evidence if I claimed that the sky was blue, or that people had heads, so I wasn't sure why I needed to prove that parrots can talk. Here's one, though, if it's really necessary.

Message 19 of 27 (707279) 09-25-2013 5:39 PM

Reply to: Message 18 by caffeine 09-24-2013 5:12 AM

I have as pets, both a African Grey and a Yellow head Amazon . They do talk and know what it is they are saying.

They sometime get things mixed when they associate a action with a word.

For instance when I lose my keys and am in a hurry, (which must happen alot), I rummage around the house looking.

My Grey responds to this by saying, "Fucking shit!!!"

I wonder where he gets it from?

Message 20 of 27 (707280) 09-25-2013 6:01 PM

Reply to: Message 19 by 1.61803 09-25-2013 5:39 PM

What I've read on the subject agrees with you. At least some birds are capable of learning to use human speech to communicate in a limited way.

I'm not sure that even matters. The point is that the physical apparatus that birds have works fine, so we can eliminate some of the human eating apparatus as being required for speech.

Message 22 of 27 (707283) 09-25-2013 9:43 PM

The waste disposal system is all mixed up with the recreation area.

Pretty bad design, eh?

Message 23 of 27 (707291) 09-26-2013 3:32 AM

Reply to: Message 21 by Jon 09-25-2013 9:26 PM

May I direct your eyes slightly further up the screen where I showed you one?

Message 24 of 27 (707292) 09-26-2013 3:36 AM

Reply to: Message 19 by 1.61803 09-25-2013 5:39 PM

The long term Avian Learning Experiment suggests that some parrots, at least, can ascribe meaning to the sounds they produce, and can understand a simple grammar. Like NoNukes says, though, avian cognition isn't of relevance to the topic. The question is simply whether the trachael anatomy of birds allows them to produce a large enough variety of sounds for human-like communication. This is so obviously and undeniably true that I'm a bit baffled what Jon is being so obtuse about.

Message 25 of 27 (707298) 09-26-2013 4:57 AM

Reply to: Message 21 by Jon 09-25-2013 9:26 PM

Then either your search is poor or your evaluation is off.

Einstein the parrot speaks well enough to end this sorry excuse for a discussion thread. The parrot makes sounds that are "sufficient enough for carrying the complex thoughts of our complex brains."

Message 26 of 27 (707316) 09-26-2013 10:03 AM

Reply to: Message 20 by NoNukes 09-25-2013 6:01 PM

While we are at it can we remove the capsaicin receptors from our anus. I feel that if it was part of a divine design it was in poor taste. *pun intended.*

I mean, I understand why they would be on our mouths, eyes and tounge, but to line our anus with them is just cruel.

Shrimp diablos anyone?

Message 27 of 27 (707389) 09-26-2013 5:17 PM

Reply to: Message 24 by caffeine 09-26-2013 3:36 AM

They say good bye. when I am leaving the house.

They say good night when I am turning the lights off at night.

Not only does my grey say the apropriate words, he says it in my own voice.

I have never heard them say good morning, when it was night.
I have never heard them say good night, when it was morning.

I can attest to the fact that they not only can speak quite clearly,
they know what they are saying. So far as to say the speak the appropriate words at the appropriate time.

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