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Author Topic:   The Specific Cause of the "Evolution vs. 'Creationism'" Controversy, and of the appar
NoNukes
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Message 6 of 46 (706831)
09-18-2013 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulGL
09-17-2013 12:44 PM


5. For example: "Behold the Lamb of God". Certainly allegorical- Christ is not being described as the 4-legged offspring of a sheep here. 'The New Jerusalem, the bride of the lamb'. Is the lamb marrying a physical city? No! Again, obviously allegorical.

I imagine that no adult, atheist or Christian, believer or non-believer thinks that the Bible is saying that Christ was really a baby sheep. If this and electricity are the great mysteries in your life, then you don't have much imagination. Or much of a point.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 18 of 46 (707061)
09-21-2013 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by PaulGL
09-21-2013 10:45 PM


Re: fine tuning
What a person can be aware of using their senses (5).

Electricity for one thing. We can use instruments (e.g voltmeters, ammeters, oscilloscopes, logic probes) that produce effects that register on our senses. Is electrical voltage unreal because we cannot see it? Is oxygen unreal simply because we cannot detect its presence or absence directly with our five senses.

The distinction between direct and indirect interaction is extremely arbitrary. You've chosen a poor analogy for the describing whatever obstacles, if any, prevent us from understanding spiritual things. Perhaps you should try something different.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 19 of 46 (707062)
09-21-2013 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by PaulGL
09-21-2013 10:46 PM


Re: Divine Evolution
No other books had anywhere near the number of contributors (39+),

This kind of nonsense claim is ridiculous. The Bible is an anthology. Let's compare the claim of 39 authors to the number of authors we might find in say, Volume 745 of The Astrophysics Journal. I see more than 39 authors listed in the February issue.

Yes the Bible is unique, but your hyperbole is ridiculous.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 26 of 46 (744668)
12-14-2014 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
12-14-2014 1:41 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
t would depend entirely on how one defines "genuinely born again".

It would depend entirely on how one defines "genuinely born again". If one insists on the literal historical truth of Genesis, then that can not be reconciled with evolution.

The poster's point is that believing in the literal historical truth of Genesis is not a step in receiving salvation. If you want to accept the challenge you need to provide an argument that the poster is wrong about that point.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 29 of 46 (744701)
12-14-2014 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
12-14-2014 2:34 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
I know that. I'm just pointing out that his opinion is just an opinion and has no more value than the opposing opinion.

Of course his post contained an opinion. But it also contained a challenge to disprove his statement. You claimed to be taking up the challenge, but you actually did not bother to do anything but assert.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 33 of 46 (744774)
12-15-2014 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by ringo
12-15-2014 10:50 AM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
The only challenge a bare assertion needs is another assertion.

That's cute and rhythmic. But it's not true in this case. In particular, Genesis says nothing about what is required to be born again, so your 'another assertion' is woefully short of even being responsive, let alone meeting the challenge.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 35 of 46 (744786)
12-15-2014 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by ringo
12-15-2014 12:21 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
You make my point. Genesis is not related to being born again, so the "challenge" is empty.

ringo, you are twisting in the breeze because you don't have a point.

Remember that your initial claim was that you could just redefine. Now you are claiming to have agreed with me all along. Total BS.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 37 of 46 (744944)
12-17-2014 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by ringo
12-16-2014 10:39 AM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
You don't have to work so hard at misunderstanding.

I understand completely. You are employing the same silly argument style you use in every thread.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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