WTF is wrong with people

Yea and rading an aincent book from the bronze age as FACT is so much better.The reason our charts are refereed as fact is because we take objective measurements via objective tools, and plot the data on charts.If i measure a string wtih a measuring tool every time i measure it the measurement will be the same, if you take the same measuring tool and measure the string the measurement will be the same. The tool is objective. Now if i mesure a bunch of strings and write my findings on a chart. The chart would be factual for the strings i measured.What is objective by your standards. How do you objectively read the bible. There are currently 21000 denominations of Christianity every single denomination reads the bible a bit differently. If you find an objective way to read it you might bring humanity back to the one holy church era.

Um but the article in question said that evolution can and does make better planes. Um scientists disagree I just showed you an article whre the principle of evolution was used to make a plane better so is that just you closing your eyes covering your ears screaming NANANANANA Um the recognised founder of the scientific method is Aristotle, does that mean the Greeks where right and we should worship Zeus, Athena, Ares .... and all the other phantenon gods. Yea we came full circle where we found out that micro eovlution is just a snapshot of evolution. Or evolution in a shorter framework. We just came in to an age where computers can harness the power of evolution to design better then man can. But yea keep track you will be amazed how an idiotic non-scientific fairytale does so well.

Ok once again say we have the absolute lowest genetic diversity possible just 2 freaking creationodogs to start with. When these 2 creationodogs have children say 10 of them. Each of them qill have half a copy of their fathers DNA and their Mothers DNA but ALSO a few MUTATIONS that are DIFFERENT from their fathers DNA or their mothers DNA. GENETIC DIVERSITY of the population INCREASED. Each of these crationodog children will breed further and each of their children will have MUTATIONS in their GENOME further INCREASING GENETIC DIVERSITY.

OK cite what standards it fails and why, then also cite why creationism passes those standards.

So when the plain flies faster with a lesser fuel consumption then a man designed plain will you believe or will you find a nother excuse WHAT GOD WHERE???I do know that the HOLY CHURCH is responsible for the decline of scientific progress in the middle ages.But never have i EVER read this in the bible:And god spoke to learn things first thou shal asketh a question. For examplth whyeth is the sky blueth?Then you shal formeth a conjecture based on the knowlage you haveth about that question. Ye shall call this part the forming of a hypothesis.Thy hypothesis shal have predictions logical coniquences of the conjecture.Thau shalt test these predictions if thy hypothesis faileth any one of these tests at any time thy shal discard it as the slave that cannot toil no more.When thy testing is done analyise thy data and decide does thou needeth a new hypothesis or does thine explaineth all the evidence you have gathered via testing.The write down what thau has donneth and publish it.Other people will retest your hypothesis if id does nt faileth these tests soon all will haveto agreath that thy hypothesis is the best explenation for the data ye haveth and shall call it no more a hypothesis but a theory. On the one hand you say mutations do happen. Ie new gens get aded, existing genes get turned of or deleted completely, chromosomes fuse, retro viral insertions in the genome. But all that small change can never amount to allot of change????Well i guess 1000 years from now some creationist will finnaly come up with proof that evolution is wrong. It will be a glorius day a joius day for that day we will have to find a new theory that explains the facts to bad we alredy debunked creationism a million times.

Ok since you are entertaing the notionSay ONLY 1 gen mutates in every new pup for the sake of simplicity every 2 parents will have 10 pups 5 girls 5 boys who will in turn have 10 pups. and lets say they are as "complex" as us 30 000 base pairswe have 2 parrents that give birth to 10 pups 10 new gens in the gen poolthey pair off and have more pups 5 pairs have 10 pups each 50 new pups 60 new gens.60 pups pair of 30 pairs each having 10 kids equals 300 new pups 360 new gens.300 pups pair off in to 150 pairs each having 10 pups 1500 new pups 1800 new gens.1500 new pups pair in to 750 pairs each having 10 kids 9100 new gens......Ok sure in the real world 1 pup would shag all the females but it would be the best environmentally adapted pup. Letting only the best gens be transferred to the next generation. but you see my point a litle change in a little time equals to allot of change in alot of time. There is no way around it. The verry second you accept mutation you have to accept evolution. Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Um yea the second i invent my T.A.R.D.I.S (time and realtive dimension in space)Im kidnapping every creationist on the planet and im gonna take them on a sped up tour of the evolution of the universe and our planet.

Just a freeking few posts ago i showed you a picture of a man that has a mutation on his X chromosome a hole fucking CHUNK of EXTRA GENS.I cant find the article right now but in an experiment sicentists DELETED the gen of a virus that allowed it to enter a cell more easily. Over a few generations the virus mutated making a new different GEN that served the same function.MUTATIONS ARE FUCKING FACTIn humans about 4 gens are mutations in EVERY generation YOU have 4 gens that your father does NOT have, and neither DOES your mother.once you accept mutations you cant deny evolution without sounding insane.

1. Observed instances of new species forming
Observed beneficial mutations and speciation in Anolis lizards
Speciation of the Faeroe Island house mouse
Evolution of five new species of cichlid fishes in Lake Nagubago.
Speciation in action among Larus seagulls.
A new species of Evening Primrose named Oenothera gigas
Evolution of a new multicellular species from unicellular Chlorella
A new species of mosquito in London Culex pipiens
Finch speciation in the Galapagos2. Observed instances of new genetic material(information) arising
RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur." (Zhang et al. 2002)
"Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further." (Brown et al. 1998)
Some old world monkeys developed a mutation in the protein TRIM5 that created a new protein called TRIM5-CrypA. This novel protein helped protect cells from HIV and other retroviruses. (Newman, 2008)
A chromosome fusion event in stickleback fish of the Japan Sea resulted in the formation of a new species.(Gilbert, 2009)
Begun et al., 2007 and Levine et al., 2006 observed the formation of de novo genes arise from mutations in noncoding DNA in a population of Drosophila.
Cai et al. 2008 found that a new, functional gene in a specific yeast species had evolved from a previously non-coding region.
The HIV virus has recently undergone rapid evolution which has resulted in the emergence of new genetic information; specifically, the Vpu gene.
A new gene arises by Gene duplication in Zebrafish
Formation of a novel X-Chromosome in Stickleback fish3. Observed instances of beneficial mutations
Beneficial mutations of yeast in a low phosphate environment
Yeast adapts to a glucose limited environment via gene duplications and natural selection
Chlamydomonas adapts to grow in the dark
Bacteria evolve to eat nylon
Resistance to atherosclerosis was documented in small population in Italy. The resistance was caused by a mutation in the angiotensin-converting enzyme gene, which affects the plasma levels in an individual.(Margaglione, et al., 1998)
E. coli evolves to hydrolyze galactosylarabinose
E. coli evolves to metabolize propanediol
E. coli evolves to digest citrate
Klebsiella bacteria develop a new metabolic pathway to metabolize 5-carbon sugars
Fruit fly adaptations to low oxygen environments
Blowfly Insecticide Resistance
Fungi evolves to harness high radiation levels in Chernobyl, Russia
Chlorella algae evolves multicellularity in response to a predator4. Observed instances of large morphological changesCroatian Lizards change body shape to adapt to a new environment
Anolis Lizards change body shape to adapt to new island environments
Galapagos Finches morphologically change in response to seed sizes
Autralian snakes adapt to introduction of poisonous toads
Change in size of the bony armor of Stickleback fish5. Observed evolution of novel organs and features
Croatian Lizards develop Cecal Valves
A simple mutation in Ciona intestinalis transforms its single heart into a functional multichambered organ
Bacteria evolve a new pathway for the formation of protein disulfide bonds
Antarctica fish develop a natural antifreeze protein
A new metabolic pathway in Mustard species6. Observed evolution of a multicellular organisms
Evolution of a new multicellular species from unicellular Chlorella7. Observed endosymbiosis

You dint mention the single cell organism becoming a multi cell organism In scientific terms a speciation is when a part of the species population has changed so much it can no longer breed with the original species.The event you want us to see does not happen ducks dont turn in to crocodiles. U might after a long process of evolution get a duck that LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE a crocodile but when classified in taxonomy it would always have the label DUCK somewhere. What you want us to present is magic. Like both fish and amphibians are BOTH STILL VERTABRETS. Yea sure creation requires no mutation therefore all observations must be wrong. And everyone knows scientists are liars and deceivers from the devil. If you accept mutations you have to accept evolution there is no way around it mutation=change in genetic structure. I told you how that means mutation can be a benifit in the end its the ENVIRONMENT THAT DECIDES IF A MUTATION IS BENEFICIAL OR NOT [qs]3. Then -- *sigh* -- you give us a list of "Observed instances of beneficial mutations" ALL of which apparently describe nothing but the usual variation within the given genome and not anything novel at all. In other words, the usual "microevolution." ADAPTATION is NORMAL VARIATION, it is NOT the result of mutation.|/qsO fucking no you dint
the second one says
Yeast adapts to a glucose limited environment via gene duplications and natural selection
DID YOU FUCKING READ GENE DUPLICATION= FUCKING MUTATION A FUCKING CHANGE IN TIS GENOME before there was ONE such GEN then THERE WHERE TWO Um sure why not and then god stops them from changing even more. You sure im the one that has a bias i just told you what was seen and documented your the one screaming thats not what you saw and you lied when documenting it.Tell me is it even possible to convince you say i had a tardis (time and relative dimension in space) And i take you with me to the very formation of the earth and we watch history fast forwarding to the present if you would have seen evolution with your own eyes would you call me a liar and deceiver manipulating your vision with spacey wacey technology or would that be what it took to convince you?If you think it would take less to convince you then tell me what would you need to see?

Im slinging profanities because you are not consistent in one message you agree mutations happen changes in the genome. In the other you claim thats not what happens. You claim we just documented variation and not mutation but in the verry second line of the part you where talking about it said what gen mutated how can i stay calm when you are actin in such an insane mannor. Now dont be a baby because i refereed to sexual intercourse and answer my previous post.

Ok just tell me in detail what you would need to see to believe in evolution

Look if i where born with a mutation that makes you the smartest person in the world an IQ in the tens of thousands but no woman would have you or have your children because being smart is not sexually attractive. Would that be a beneficial mutation or a hindering mutation.Its the evniormnet that selects what is a good mutation and a bad mutation. The goal of life is to reproduce if a mutation helps you get to the point of reproduction its good if it does not its bad.IF you want to see viable new genswhen you argued against part 3 of my statment the second line said yes an EXTRA NEW GEN viable and really useful Given that i have shown you that new gens are possible can this new species get new gens when reproducing thus increasing its Genetic diversity?? But our species has basicly the same genome as Chimps and Bonobos there is only a few % difference. And the our second chromosome being a fusion of 2 chromosomes in chimps and bonobos we have seen fusion happen. We have seen mutation happen new gens arising, old gens being deleted, retrovisruses incorporating themselves in genomes and such. Are we then the same species? But you see when you increase genetic diversity in that new species its done by RANDOM mutation so it can never become more similar to the pervius species it drifsts further away. What would you need to see i have been asking for a while now i want to know what piece of evidence could convince you The second line clearly stated GEN DUPLICATION an extra gen sure a copy of an existing one but not present before MUTATION not variation. Yea one would need to go and decipher their whole genome and the genome of the parrent species to se what actually changed. But what would convince you i need to know so i can find it and show it to you, or tell you that that is not what evolution predicts. For all i know you want a chimp to give birth to a human to convince you while in fact that would convince me that evolution is wrong. It does i just dont think you understand what the evidence shows and what the theory of evolution says. U sure you wouldn't just call it a lying time machine. Yea creationism makes no sense to me and it does nothing to further advance our knowledge. But thats because its Religion and not science.But if i got it right Young earth creationism says about 6000 years ago god made all the animals the planet the universe and humans.for that hypothesis to make its way to Theory it has to be tested. we test its predictions.Prediction nr 1 the earth is no less then 6000 years old.Radiocarbon dating says its older, we use the same knowlage as we use in radioactive dating methods in :
Nuclear power
Commercial technologies: Smoke detectors, Betavoltaics ....
Medical aplications: radiation therapy, medical radiography, Positron emission tomography. ...
Industrial aplications: Gauges, Electrostatic control, Radioactive tracers, Oil and Gas Exploration, Road Construction.And much more if the dates using radiocarbon datin are wrong then that technology cannot function.Thermoluminescence dating
A dating technique that can be used on inorganic materials such as clay pots. It can tell us when was the last time that object saw sunlight, or the last time it was heated. The dates conform with radiocarbon dating where applicable, and it works on a different principle.There are around 30 dating techniques that all conform where applicable, and all point to an old earth.So that part of YEC hypothesis hasto be scratched out.Prediction nr 2 all animals created at the same timeGod supposedly made all the animals at roughly the same time to support this claim you need to find modern animals together with tetropods, or dinosaurs. OR dinosaurs with tetropods. Whitout such evidence the claim that all the animals where created at the same time is as valid as they sky is blue because blue dragons are blowing blue fire in to the sky.Without some evidence like that that claim has to be scratched out of the hypothesis as there is no evidence to support it.You can prove evolution wrong in the same way
In its basic evolution basicly saysRANDOM MUTATION + NATURAL SELECTION = DIVERSITY OF LIFEIT seems simpler but it has way more predictions and logical consequences, so it should be simple to find A SINGLE prediction wrong. Debunking the whole theory.

Simply not true If you find a dinosaur from an age before tetropods evolution is clearly wrong and hasto be scraped.If you find that there is no mechanism for evolution there was no ide what this mechanism is in the time of darwin evolution is wrong. But we found a mechanism DNA and its properties of imperfect replication, or as we call it mutation.If you find that the timescale is too short for evolution to bring about the diversity we see, evolution is proven wrong and scrapped, at the time of darwin we had no idea of how long our earth exsisted, now we do we have time to spare.All of this and more can or could have proved evolution wrong but it never has. We dont just pull charts out of our ar... behinds, we actualy put work in it using objective tools and objective measurements. You argued that that mutations cannot increase genetic diversety even though i have shown you examples where mutations in genoms or deletions of gens, additions of new gens, or fusions of cromosomes, .... increase genetic diversety. You have one genome then you have a mutated genome that hasa difference is different from the parrent genome. Genetic diversity increased. [qs]Fortunately all of biology does not rely on evolutionary thinking.[\qs]Ever herd the phrase nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution. it was coined by a Russian Orthodox Christian Theodosius Dobzhansky, the tittle of his essay critisizing anti-evolution and creationists.Taxonomy the way we classify animals scientificly conforms to evolution.the whole of biology is intertwined with evolution Evolution underlies many improvements in agriculture (e.g., the artificial selection of crop strains and livestock breeds).A less well-known fact is that evolutionary principles were used to produce many of our best vaccines and that evolution also causes problems with the use of some of those vaccines.The vaccine now used to immunize against the disease poliomyelitis is a live poliovirus that we eat.
This live virus does not give us the disease (except to about 1-2 in a million people vaccinated) because it is genetically weakened so that our body can defeat it.
This process of weakening is called attenuation, and it is an evolutionary process. The attenuated vaccine strains came from wild, virulent strains of poliovirus, but they were evolved by Albert Sabin to become attenuated. Essentially, he grew the viruses outside of humans, and as the viruses became adapted to those non-human conditions, they lost their ability to cause disease in people.Bacterial resistance to antibiotics is an evolutionary phenomenonprolonging the life of drug/chemical resistant compoundsconstructing evolutionary treespathogen trackingindustrial production of biochemicals and other agentsIsolates of the AIDS virus with up to 15 different drug-resistance mutations are known, and the latest drugs are becoming ineffective.Some strains of bacteria are resistant to all available antibiotics.For multi-drug resistant tuberculosis, surgery is the only cure because antibiotics don’t work and only 50% of those infected survive.Chemotherapy for cancer often fails because drug-resistant cells evolve during treatment.Pesticide resistance and herbicide resistance is so common now that the financial incentive to make new pesticides and herbicides is break-even or worse.Artificially evolved enzymes and other proteins are soon to become part of household and medical technologies.We will have protein-based drugs that, unlike the proteins inside our bodies, degrade slowly so that we don’t need to take so much of them.Enzymes are being evolved to work in detergents (which they don’t normally do).And as the stuff of futuristic novels, molecules are being developed to bind anthrax spores, ricin molecules, and other potential bioterrorism agents.and much more As supposed to creation that is alredy in never never land. And i have shown you how mutations create NEW genetic diversity. So both ways are the wrong way??Look you get speciation where the news species cannot mate with its parrent species. After that when the new species reproduces it gets new genetic diversity with every generation how is this so hard to understand. Every generation is a mutant A single gen or multiple are DIFFERENT from their parrents genomes You have the parrents genome and the ofspring genom they are a bit different. While you had only one genome before thus you have increased genetic diversity. whoptidooo No you are ignoring reality and substituting it for your own in witch what you mentioned before happens. But its not a fact i have shown you how wrong you are you just dont want to accept it.This it what happens in reality this is factGenomes mutate its a fact period if you dont believe me go have your genome decoded, and the genome of your parrents you WILL find that about 4 of your gens are DIFFERENT then the ones your father or mother posses. Fact PERIODMOST mutations are NEUTRAL meaning no benefit or and NO hindrance. They also dont get selected by natural selectionSome mutations are bad. Natural selection weeds these out. Say a wolf has a mutation that causes blindness, a blind wolf cant survive or mate to pass this mutation on.A FEW mutations are beneficial. Natural selection selects these. A stronger wolf catches more pray, leads the pack, fathers the packs children Grately increasing the beneficial mutation in the gen pool of the pack, because half of the new cubs will have it. Making the pack stronger possibly enough to even outcompete other packs that do not have this mutation.ALL OF THIS IS FACT PERIOD.When speciation does accure GRANTED THEY HAVE A LOW GENETIC DIVERSITY.
BUT EVERY NEW GENERATION IS STILL A MUTANT NEW GENS IN THE GEN POOL OF THE NEW SPECIES. FACT.With every new mutation the differnce between the parrent species and new species also increases as MUTATIONS ARE RANDOM.POINT TO WHAT FACT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE AND I WILL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE IN REAL LIFE.

The problem with citing cattle as your example is that their low genetic diversity is caused by artificial insemination about 75% of all cattle get artificialy inseminated. A single Bull can have up to 500 000 daughters . Greatly decreasing genetic diversity. Il give you that but every new generation has UNIQUE mutations of its own INCREASING GENETIC DIVERSITY. No when you have those mutations you are just making every generation more different from the parrent species. Mutations are RANDOM. You are not adding back you are adding NEW. MUTATIONS ARE RANDOM.