Message 436 of 457 (708915) 10-16-2013 11:05 AM

Reply to: Message 435 by Phat 10-16-2013 10:55 AM

When scientists have different conclusions they usually turn to the evidence to determine which conclusion is correct.

When believers have different conclusions you often get a schism. That is why there are so many different religions, denominations, sects, etc. today.

Belief is often not subject to evidence.

Message 437 of 457 (708916) 10-16-2013 11:08 AM

Reply to: Message 435 by Phat 10-16-2013 10:55 AM

But nothing in that post has anything to do with reality or critical thinking rather a great example of not critically thinking. It is perhaps the best example so far of what the problem is.

Message 438 of 457 (708920) 10-16-2013 11:28 AM

Reply to: Message 431 by jar 10-16-2013 8:56 AM

Yes when they strip down their religion to the bare essentials they can function rationally. Yea Jesus is the son of god i know that because it says so in the bible and i also know that the bible is full of myths and anecdotes but that part is true.

How many Catholics do you think actually believe that the bread turned in to Jesus'es flesh and the wine in to his blood. How many do you think shrug it off as just a ritual preformed by the church.

Most religius people actually strip down their religion so fare that they should be called deists its just that their deity has a name.

Yea ignorance is bliss but if you where to put those cults of ignorance on a scale from most ignorant to least, witch cults would rank most ignorant religious cults or secular cults.

Yea you have women who get beat by their husbands every day but still love them and think they love them. Denying evidence starring them in the face.

Yea but its religion that puts them on the path of denying evidence. Its just that some religions found out that if their flocks dont deny reality and substitute it with the bible they are on a slippery slope to deism and atheism. Cutting off the funds to that religion.

But you also have to remember that the flock is not intentionally dishonest or even know that they are. Their program as you can see with Faith wont allow for anything that contradicts their beliefs, its like pushing a square trough a round hole information contradicting their beliefs cant get in. And if you manage to hammer it in it gets distorted or broken.

Message 439 of 457 (708921) 10-16-2013 11:33 AM

Reply to: Message 432 by Phat 10-16-2013 10:21 AM

Depends on what he found out if he found out that friction causes heat, and that heat can be used to light a fire so he does not freeze to death at night then its very important for him. Because the next day he can find out how to split hydrogen from water to make fuel for the rocket that will take him home where he can tell other scientists about his grate discovery how you can use friction to make fire

Message 440 of 457 (708922) 10-16-2013 11:38 AM

Reply to: Message 435 by Phat 10-16-2013 10:55 AM

Yea one man might ask what if god where to die tomorrow would anyone notice? Apart from a few select people feeling a disturbance in the force would we even notice. Days would still come and go its not god that is spinning the earth on its axes or around the sun newtons laws of motion cover that. People would still be borne its a fact about our biology that humans are made when a sperm cell inserts itself in to an egg cell that egg cell then just follows its "programming" to make a human, no god involved .... how would we really notice that god is gone?

Message 443 of 457 (708926) 10-16-2013 11:57 AM

Reply to: Message 442 by frako 10-16-2013 11:53 AM

Do you have any idea of how sophomoric those questions were?

Message 444 of 457 (708928) 10-16-2013 12:10 PM

Reply to: Message 443 by jar 10-16-2013 11:57 AM

Episcopalian believe in the Eucharist right. So do you believe when the priest blesses the bread that it literally turns in to Jesus'es flesh or do you admit that the bread contains 0% Jesus.

But the Episcopalian religion is also very progressive compared to most, like you dont need a penis to be a priest, you dont hate gays ...

It looks like a very "light" religion so it probably dint mess your mind up that much

Message 446 of 457 (708936) 10-16-2013 2:43 PM

Evolutionists think anything done in the biological sciences confirms evolution, but most of it describes only microevolution which creationists regard as normal variation through built-in alleles. Of course they can just go on hallucinating "evolution" beyond that since they refuse to recognize that depleted genetic diversity is the necessary end result of evolutionary processes, and mutations couldn't possibly be the maker of normal alleles --in any number that could save the theory. Besides which, if they continued for millions of years, or even a hundred thousand or less, there wouldn't be anything left alive on the earth.

As long as science continues to be co-opted to the ToE and people want to believe it as apparently so many do, it will maintain its illusion as scientific.

I'd get on the Mayflower today if there was anywhere for it to go.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Message 448 of 457 (708938) 10-16-2013 3:28 PM

I first came to properly understand evolution nearly 30 years ago - I'd given up Biology at 14 and it was the first major presentation of it that I really read. Dawkins explained the basic workings of evolution - mutation producing new variations and selection culling them. Somehow Faith still fails to understand that mutations are an important part of the theory and treats them as an optional extra.

She refuses to admit that her argument is fatally flawed despite resorting to the most obvious question-begging possible in an attempt to evade the problem.

She can't accept the fact that evolution is valid science. She can't even admit that evolution is based on solid evidence.

She thinks that confronting arguments against her view of the Bible consists of sitting in an echo chamber which won't allow proper consideration of those arguments. We know this because she has no knowledge of the real arguments for the Maccabaean dating of the book of Daniel.

She thinks that we should respect expert opinion - except when the experts say things contrary to the dogmas she espouses, in which case lies and slander are the the order of the day.

But I can't blame Christianity for her behaviour. Faith is a Christian only in the broad sense of paying lip-service to certain beliefs, or of calling herself Christian. But maybe that's just another of her delusions.

Message 449 of 457 (708948) 10-16-2013 10:38 PM

Reply to: Message 446 by Faith 10-16-2013 2:43 PM

Just be careful that something like this does not happen to you if you let god steer the boat.