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Author Topic:   Kansas Insitution to sue about teaching science in science room.
NoNukes
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Message 46 of 68 (707698)
09-30-2013 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by jar
09-30-2013 11:48 AM


re: YAOJR...
The CCoi should be allowed to separate themselves from the rest of the world.
No law suit is needed in order to accomplish that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 47 of 68 (707699)
09-30-2013 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by jar
09-30-2013 11:46 AM


re: YAOJR...
From your perspective all that might be true. But your perspective simply supports their position; the government is sending their kids to hell and the US along with it.
Jar, you aren't making sense. They can do that stuff regardless of what does or does not happen to their complaint.
What their complaint asks for is the removal of the teaching of science from other folks kids. There is no reason to honor a baseless complaint in order to allow them to separate.
but do little more.
I suppose this is the point where we recognize the rights of the parents but deny everyone else any rights to do things like even laugh at the complaint.
Yet another obtuse jar response...

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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onifre
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Message 48 of 68 (707702)
09-30-2013 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by jar
09-30-2013 1:04 PM


Re: It's a form of child abuse
Yes, you may see it as child abuse but that is pretty much irrelevant.
It has nothing to do with how I see it. It is child abuse, hence the fact that the state would never allow that to happen.
Even home schooling is monitored and the parent must be qualified to teach at home and must follow an approved curriculum.
- Oni

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jar
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Message 49 of 68 (707704)
09-30-2013 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by NoNukes
09-30-2013 1:10 PM


re: YAOJR...
Have you been reading what I have posted in this thread?
In Message 5 I said
quote:
Pitying them does not mean we have to adopt their delusions or nonsense. We should give them an Inclusion Award that says something like "You tried really hard this time."

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 50 of 68 (707706)
09-30-2013 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by onifre
09-30-2013 1:18 PM


Re: It's a form of child abuse
Nonsense.
Even home schooling is monitored and the parent must be qualified to teach at home and must follow an approved curriculum.
Sorry but not even schools are required to follow an approved curriculum or have qualified teachers.
Look at A Beka books for an example. Look at all the new accreditation organizations the CCoI has created.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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NoNukes
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Message 51 of 68 (707707)
09-30-2013 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by jar
09-30-2013 1:20 PM


re: YAOJR...
Have you been reading what I have posted in this thread?
Yes I have been reading what you've said. Your comments have not been limited to message 51.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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jar
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Message 52 of 68 (707708)
09-30-2013 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by NoNukes
09-30-2013 1:28 PM


re: YAOJR...
Well read again then.
I have not said that you cannot laugh at what they propose, I said we should not laugh at what they propose.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 53 of 68 (707709)
09-30-2013 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by NoNukes
09-30-2013 1:10 PM


re: YAOJR...
Yet another obtuse jar response...
Why do you guys even try?

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NoNukes
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Message 54 of 68 (707717)
09-30-2013 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by onifre
09-30-2013 12:59 PM


Re: It's a form of child abuse
Thankfully that is not the case.
Actually it turns out that it is the case. Parents are always free to take their kids out of public schools and to put them in homeschools and private schools. In some cases they can even get vouchers to pay for some of the costs with public money.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Jon
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Message 55 of 68 (707719)
09-30-2013 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by onifre
09-30-2013 12:51 PM


That many? Universities where they don't teach evolution or proper biology? Or proper geology?
Yes. They have their own Universities.
What jobs?
Ever heard of the Government?

Love your enemies!

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onifre
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Message 56 of 68 (707720)
09-30-2013 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
09-30-2013 1:28 PM


Re: It's a form of child abuse
I googled it, because when I was going to homeschool my kids a few years back and we DID have to go through a few qualifying issues and were going to be required to submit test scores, give specific courses and if it was going to go into the high school years there would be credit requirements.
Apparently it's a state by state issue. I was shocked to find some states require nothing at all from the parent and very little course requirements.
But it's not "nonsense" as you said. There are laws, but not all the same for every state. As usual, New York has the toughest laws for homeschooling.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Posts: 4854
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Message 57 of 68 (707721)
09-30-2013 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Jon
09-30-2013 4:35 PM


Yes. They have their own Universities.
How many?
Ever heard of the Government?
Which government?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 58 of 68 (707722)
09-30-2013 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by NoNukes
09-30-2013 4:18 PM


Re: It's a form of child abuse
Parents are always free to take their kids out of public schools and to put them in homeschools and private schools. In some cases they can even get vouchers to pay for some of the costs with public money.
I don't mind home schooling. I throught as jar put it that there were no laws at all. It sparked me to google it and as you can read in the post I wrote to him, the laws for home schooling are state by state.
- Oni

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jar
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Message 59 of 68 (707725)
09-30-2013 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by onifre
09-30-2013 4:41 PM


Re: It's a form of child abuse
You probably wanted NY State accreditation.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Jon
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Message 60 of 68 (707726)
09-30-2013 5:05 PM
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09-30-2013 4:42 PM


Which government?
Ours, of course.

Love your enemies!

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