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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because we are not to be as gods, for one thing. Who said "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
True, God allegedly said that. Note, however, that He prevented them from partaking of eternal life by a ban on the other tree. I say again: We (humans) are not meant to be as gods. The same reason Lucifer, upon having chosen to become satan, was booted out of heaven...A&E were booted out of the garden.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Learn Phat.
Satan was booted out of heaven for refusing Gods wish he bow down and worship man. Yes, they were thrown out of the Garden of Eden because God feared they would eat the the Tree of Life. But they had gained the capability to judge right and wrong just as the God character.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: And yet God never directly created an evil satan. Satan chose to rebel.
Satan was booted out of heaven for refusing Gods wish he bow down and worship man. But they had gained the capability to judge right and wrong just as the God character. And so I agree that we are charged and are responsible. What is less clear to me is our conversations with the "God character" in our minds. Do we simply consider Him to big to talk to? Do we correct Him? If so, the only reason I could see why is that God wants us to strive for following the "right thing to do." It takes a perfect God to instill right and wrong into human consciousness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Satan chose to rebel.
So your god is not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent. What a wuss.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It takes a perfect God to instill right and wrong into human consciousness. But such a thing simply does not exist. What we have is just what a God has, the ability to think about what is right and wrong. In most cases there simply is no correct answer. Thou shalt not kill. But what if killing someone would save your family? Thou shalt not steal. But what if stealing food is the only way to feed your family? Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors ass. But what if your neighbor is tall and tan and young and lovely?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: And so God gives us grace, but does not want us to use grace as an excuse or license to do whatever we want. We still have a conscience and the gift of knowing right and wrong. Some would say it is our will and our responsibility to be disciplined. Others would say that it is His will in communion with our will and that it is still our responsibility to take up Lacrosse and follow Him. The key, I think, is in denying ourselves. It ain't easy. What we have is just what a God has, the ability to think about what is right and wrong. In most cases there simply is no correct answer. Thou shalt not kill. But what if killing someone would save your family? Thou shalt not steal. But what if stealing food is the only way to feed your family? Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors ass. But what if your neighbor is tall and tan and young and lovely?
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How do you come to that conclusion? God never forces Himself on anyone. How is that being a wuss?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So he knew Satan would rebel?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So he knew Satan would rebel? Yes I am assuming so. Perhaps the rebellion was allowed only to allow the possibility of future choice between two options.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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And so God gives us grace, but does not want us to use grace as an excuse or license to do whatever we want. Assumes facts not in evidence. We do not know that God will give us grace but believe that if we are forgiven it will be by God's grace and not our own. Note "if". Those who think they are saved or forgiven are putting the cart before the horse. They need to wait until after they are judged to work that out. But that is not comforting.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Perhaps the rebellion was allowed only to allow the possibility of future choice between two options.
But if he is omniscient he knows what choices would be made in the future, so it isn't really much of a choice is it.If he is omnipotent and omnipresent then he was just setting satan up. In other words he sounds like an evil dick. Not anything worthy of worship.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
jar writes: What we have is just what a God has, the ability to think about what is right and wrong. In most cases there simply is no correct answer. Thou shalt not kill. But what if killing someone would save your family? Thou shalt not steal. But what if stealing food is the only way to feed your family? That all plays back into legalism and the idea that if we follow the various laws that we can get what we want from God, whether it be in this life or the next. Jesus and Paul for that matter made it clear that it is all about the heart. Do we do the right thing simply because we know it is the right thing and that is what our heart desires. That is one reason, (other than the fact that I think it is bad theology), that the whole argument about dispensationalism bothers me. It is essentially trying to figure out what we have to do to get in good with God, which is completely contrary to what Jesus espoused. Interestingly enough from a Christian point of view, it is similar to the OT Jews. They were constantly trying to figure out, when and what it would look like when the messiah came to them. In the end none of them got it until the resurrection and even then most of them missed it. The point is, is that we should be considering how we can image God and reflect His love into His creation which includes people, other life forms and the planet itself. We should stop worrying about judging who is in and who is on the outs with God and trust in His perfect judgement. (That is scriptural.) BTW I don't see that I'm disagreeing with you, it is just a comment. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Thats also what Lucifer concluded as he chose to become satan.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So your god is a dick?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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