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Author Topic:   Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.
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Message 91 of 169 (806576)
04-26-2017 11:35 AM


Israel is not a superior country
Judiasm and Churchianity BOTH preach Isreal and Israelis are better or superior than other races and other people, this is not true and is not biblical, although they use the Bible as their supporting evidence.

The basic proven principle is that RACISM is wrong, and immoral, and causes wars and killing. No people are any better than any other people. Thats evolution, thats racism, thats untrue.

Israel can sometimes mean a chosen people that have individually chosen love and the Messiah as Jacob choose wisely and as some of our brethren in the past CHOOSE wisely.

But it was always by choice, and never by bloodlines or heritage... thats racism, thats evolutionary dogma.

Blessings come from good choices, moral choices, loving cooperative choices...not from your bloodlines, or parents choices etc etc or from where you were born, or what country you hold your passport from.

Love determines blessings, not skin colour, or religious affiliations. Dont believe in groups and be a groupie, you must be an individual and individually choose.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 93 of 169 (806615)
04-26-2017 10:18 PM
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04-26-2017 1:35 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Yes, you are an evolutionist, and believe in and act upon the basic premise of evolution. I cant argue with you on this. You do deem yourself better than others and demean others when they dont follow your religion of evolution and branching and racism.

The worldly nation of ISRAEL is not special and blessed and not superior to all other nations. All nations are the same to the Lord, as the Lord sees individual hearts and not clumps of people, or tribes or nationalities or religions or branches of supposed evolutionary advanced people who all think they are better than others.

Racism is wrong and the Lord is not a racist, He sees individuasl hearts.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 95 of 169 (806911)
04-29-2017 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by New Cat's Eye
04-27-2017 3:50 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, your name calling again proves you can not defend your position or theory of evolution OR it is proving evolutionists have no morality

(SEE thread Atheists have no moral standard)

Calling you an evolutionist, as I have is what you call yourself, so I am not name calling, but giving you your agreed upon label for your belief system or theory system.

So do call me a 'Christian' if you choose and have some class or some integrity. Not a churchie but a Christian.

I dont mind at all. I follow his doctrine of equality and love.

Evolution preaches racism, inequality, branching, and competition.

Choose wisely

http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=19414

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 96 of 169 (806912)
04-29-2017 9:01 AM


Choose to be a chosen people
The chosen people, were those that choose to be chosen. It was always choice.

Cain choose to kill his brother, and on going it has always been choice, choice choice, and never bloodlines.

One was chosen because they choose the Lord, others rejected because they choose to reject love and reject the Lord.

The people in the wilderness were a mixed multitude, and as they went many choose to bot believe and chose to rebel. They choose to lose, rather than remain and be winners.

Outsiders along the way from other nations, could join the chosen people if they choose the Messiah, choose the Messiah that was coming, and then they became equal.

The worldly nation of Israel chooses to believe they are better and superior to other people and nations according to their supposed heritage and supposed debate-able bloodlines, when the principle has always been CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE.

So reread Isiah 53, as churchies and jewish people love to think one race or bloodlines is superior to others, which brings them in conflict with other religions and nations, and brings on war and continual war.

Only choosing love makes one equal...


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 98 of 169 (807048)
04-30-2017 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
04-30-2017 1:59 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
I agree with your reply Title

Israel is not a superior country.

Racism, or thinking you are better or superior to any other country or nationality or bloodlines is untrue and is racism and causes wars and kiilling... in the name of nationalism or religion or in the name of betterment for mankind.

Racism is wrong and is not love.

Jesus taught equality and love, deal with it evolutionists from a standpoint of your theory that is dependant on mutations that supposedly make species or races superior or better. Evolution is a racist theory. Know the basics and then you can discern politics, propaganda, lies whether out of school or in school lies and deceptions.

Reject racism in all cases.

Besides no population is homogeneous, all individuals must choose, whether in Israel or outside of Israel. All must individually choose.

SEE and study

To study prophecy and learn from prophecy, you have to have a basic understanding of Jesus’ principles. And they are not
complicated nor are they theological nor semantic, they are down to earth precepts. They are your foundation, the rock upon
which you build your whole structure and framework of thinking and actions.

And the basic TWO PRINCIPLES are … EQUALITY and CHOICE. If you understand in your heart and mind through words
and experiences, that Equality is a fundamental principle of the Lord, you have a chance of understanding His Prophecy. And if
you add to Equality, a fundamental understanding that each of us has to choose the Lord and His actions of LOVE, then you have
the two cornerstones or pillars upon which all your temple can be built… EQUALITY and CHOICE.

If you don’t you shall utterly fail, and never be able to discern prophecy because you will get it wrong like the perverted
church system has gotten it wrong. You will get current events wrong, history wrong, the future wrong, and will make all the
wrong decisions in the present and in the future.

For when you believe in Equality, you know that men and women are equal, and that those that say differently have been
mislead. You know that Westerners and Easterners are all the same to the Lord. He doesn’t have favorites that are from any
country or nationality, regardless of how rich that country is in a worldly sense. He loves the rich and poor EQUALLY. This
seeming easy concept, the church system denies as their godliness is gain theology says that the richer a person is the more godly
they are. Yet using your standard of equality, you can then discern that their dogma of favoring the west and the rich is ungodly
and untrue. Are you catching it ?. Using the standard of equality, you can learn to discern or judge principles or doctrines ?

If you hear that women brought sin into the world and should be submissive to men and their husbands. Take that doctrine to
your standard of equality and it fails and comes up short. So reject it, and stick with your proven principle of Equality. SEE
Equality not Patriarchy

Then when you hear or read about how the church system favors the worldly country of Israel, you can judge for yourself
whether this doctrine has merit. For it seems to violate the precept of Equality of all men, and that the Lord treats all men the
same. The church system saying, the Jews are special and chosen, and that is just the way the Lord is, end of discussion. But is it
so. NO, according to the precept of CHOICE which is in every Book of the Bible and the fundamental concept of all Christianity
and the thing the Lord demands of every person on Earth. No one has a free ride or special privileges. Everyone must choose
HIM to be chosen. Everyone must choose the CHOSEN ONE which is Jesus. There are no exceptions, there has never been any
exceptions. There is only one standard for all, and one set of rules for all. All must choose.

No tribe, no nationality, no country is sacrosanct and innocent and saintly. That’s common sense and is absolutely
scriptural. All countries are nothing to the Lord, and He just uses them to fulfill His Plan of Prophecy. A passport from Israel
does not certify godliness nor special privileges with the Lord. Blood lines mean absolutely nothing to the Lord. Your lineage is
interesting and got you here, but your parents do not dictate your life or your choices. You must choose. The Jews individually
must choose love and the Lord. Everyone must choose, everyone has the divine right and responsibility to make choices.

SEE We all have to choose

Do you understand this pillar of strength and truth in your very being and soul, because if you don’t you will be swayed by
the overwhelming majority that either want to think they are special and elite, or those who want to get on the elite bandwagon
and be carried by this supposed elite group. SORRY, each individual must choose, no group, no nation, no church, no synagogue,
no political party, no tribal affiliation, no union, no marriage, no bloodlines, no parentage can get you to heaven, each individual
has to choose the Heavenly One…JESUS.

How simple it is, Choice and Equality. If you know these two principles, you have a good chance of understanding prophecy.

All the best in His Precepts of LOVE… Equality and Choice.

In His Service

David and Trixie

Back to Prophecy Timelines

SEE also Moses' Prophesy about 2 Israel's
Israel is not Israel

From http://www.davidjayjordan.com/...ment-EqualityandChoice.html


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 99 of 169 (807050)
04-30-2017 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 2:22 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Two precursors or principles to know before you can discern prophecy. You must absolutely know that love is about equality and choice. With these two principles in your heart and mind, you have a chance to discern prophecy.

All the best in your searches for truth

IHS

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 101 of 169 (807099)
04-30-2017 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by New Cat's Eye
04-30-2017 9:06 PM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
I can always explain, explain explain...quite complaining that you have written nothing and nothing you write applies.

Isiah 53 is not about the worldly country of Israel. The Lord is not a racist, the Lord doesnt play favorites, the Lord doesnt have chosen people who are better than other people. Thats racism and against equality and choice.

Learn equality and choice and you can discern prophecy much more easily rather than being tempted to join a group or nationality or religion because they say they are better than others.

Let love be your religion..... and please stop denying denying denying...

All people are winners who choose love...


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 103 of 169 (807187)
05-01-2017 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by New Cat's Eye
05-01-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, you are not a Christian, and probably not a Jew, so you surely are not an expert on Isiah 53.

Isaiah is a prophetic book, it deals with lives, past fulfilled prophecies and future prophecies.... as a non believer and no experiencer, Cats Eye, you have no expertise , except in denial denial, denial..


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 105 of 169 (807275)
05-01-2017 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by New Cat's Eye
05-01-2017 11:56 AM


Re: Israel is not a superior country
Cats eye, I am shocked, I would have never quessed you were a Christian. It makes no difference in any of my responses though.
I just assumed from your lack of knowledge that you were not a Christian nor Jewish.

Anyway, any group that says they are superior to others is a racist group. And their pretended superiority makes them susceptible to starting disputes and wars against their so called inferior neighbors.

The Lord has no favorites, no chosen people except those that individually choose HIM, and choose love and equality.

No country and no people are superior to any others.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 107 of 169 (807780)
05-05-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by New Cat's Eye
05-04-2017 2:19 PM


Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
Calling me a charlatan, over and over again is hardly honorable nor does it expand this topic... Cat's Eye, especially for a Christian to do so..

*******************************

Isaiah 53 never mentions Israel in one place... never eludes to a country or the person of Jacob or Israel... never ever

Chapter 53
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

(**********************
end***)

How in the world can the Jews or Jewish backers in churchianity, ever suggest that Isaiah 53 is about them or their worldly country.

Please explain ...

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 109 of 169 (807887)
05-06-2017 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by New Cat's Eye
05-05-2017 1:25 PM


Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
God is not a racist nor nationalistic..

For as He said directly and distinctly.. All nations are as nothing to me.... LOOK IT UP

And as He said..ALL nations shall accept the Mark of the Beast, and become one in the End...all as in ALL.

But go ahead and promote the evolutionary idea and atheistic idea that God in Isaiah and elsewhere in the Bible is a racist and favours one nation over another... its untrue, but its what the churchies teach, and what the religions teach and what politicians teach..to start their wars and continue the killing


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Davidjay 
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Message 114 of 169 (807928)
05-07-2017 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Porosity
05-06-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
Your excuses do not excuse you.

The Lord deals with individuals individually, as for nations, all nations they come for His Purposes and fulfill His PURPOSES, as time heads toward the end, and His NEW BEGINNING.

SEE http://www.davidjayjordan.com/7KingdomsofMan.html

Why because group faith is nationalism is racism is bogus, as the Lord only deals with individual hearts and minds. Your choice.

Isaiah 53 does not mention the worldly nation of Israel, its about the Messiah, and although having many layers...... is not about a worldly country or a worldly special group of people, who are favored and sacrosanct. All people are treated according to their hearts and minds and choices and actions in this life. All fairly, all equally.

And the heathen got upset again, and brought forth more complains about the Lord, their Creator


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 115 of 169 (807929)
05-07-2017 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by New Cat's Eye
05-07-2017 3:40 AM


Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
Cats eye, dont you know, the cat is out of the bag, you have called yourself a Christian, and then post such unChristian comments..

So the Bible's wrong, then?


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Davidjay 
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Message 117 of 169 (807942)
05-07-2017 10:18 AM
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05-07-2017 8:50 AM


Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
Wow, you are a mutated Christian...... for with you a true Christian doesnt believe in the Lords words....

Christians, the honest Christians, understand that the Bible is often wrong, contradictory and containing fiction.

No wonder you became an evolutionist and are limited to one sentence attacks against Creation and against the Lord and against the Bible.

Thanks for revealing yourself.

Yikes, there truly are some mutated ones HERE, self mutilated, or self mutated.....


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 118 of 169 (807944)
05-07-2017 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by NoNukes
05-07-2017 12:01 AM


Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
NoNUKES .......Yes they were chosen to show that the Lord doesnt have favorites..... as they rebelled from the start, and caused Moses no end of problems. Only the believers and honest and faithful ones went on with the Lords annointed..... again showing that individuals not groups are chosen. Have you forgotten your true History of the Exodus...

But NONukes, if you choose a race or a religion or believe Israel is favored and special and sacrosanct and superior to all others, so be it, you will have chosen racism.

I repeat, God is not a racist, and treats all the same, equal in love and judgment. As a Christian, No Nukes you should have known this from your own personal experience, rather than defending elitism and racism and evolution.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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