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Author Topic:   Peanut Gallery for Great debate: radiocarbon dating, Mindspawn and Coyote/RAZD
Atheos canadensis
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Message 180 of 305 (712276)
12-01-2013 4:24 PM


So did Mindspawn just completely ignore the figure showing water retention over a period of weeks in dolomitic substrates? He's still asking for proof that dolomite can retain moisture, proof that has been provided. And he still seems to be maintaining the fantasy that the various dendrochronologies match up as the result of similar weather patterns at widely disparate points around the world.

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Message 186 of 305 (712289)
12-02-2013 7:47 AM


So RAZD has refuted all of Mindspawn's objections to the dendrochronologies. He has shown that extra rings are identifiable as such my the cellular morphology, that trees are more likely to have missing rings than extra rings, that observations during recent times show that the WM BCPs are produce one ring per year and that dolomitic substrates retain enough moisture for the trees to continue growing during periods without rain. I think it would be a good idea for RAZD to make a quick, concise post summarizing the points the evidence that refutes Mindspawn's fantastical objections. With explicit focus on showing that the WM BCPs have been shown to produce only one annual ring in recent times, something Mindie keeps insisting ins't happening and hasn't been demonstrated.

  
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Message 205 of 305 (712340)
12-03-2013 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Coyote
12-02-2013 9:36 PM


Re: Reply to Adminnemooseus
RAZD is undeniably outposting Mindspawn. But the comparison to the Gish Gallop is unwarranted. As Coyote points out here, the Gish Gallop is characterized by an inundation of irrelevant, generally unsupported points; this characterization can not be applied to RAZD's well researched and pertinent posts.
You know, maybe it's time for you to take at least a week off from posting at this topic.
This timeline seems arbitrary and unproductive. If Mindspawn replies tomorrow for example it will certainly not move the debate anywhere if RAZD just bites his tongue for "at least a week".

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Message 214 of 305 (712394)
12-03-2013 12:20 PM


Called it
Once again your evidence supports my position. The evidence presented shows that Bristlecone Pine trees require dolomite soil in those dry conditions because it preserves moisture, but even the dolomite soil was "below the wilting coefficient on only two dates". ie in late summer of 1962 over just 5 weeks, in the growing season, even the dolomite soil had insufficient water to support growth on two separate occasions.
Wilting coefficient is "the level of soil moisture at which water becomes unavailable to plants and permanent wilting ensue"
Point made! Thanks for the info.
I knew it. I said he would say that. Do I get a prize? Anyway, hopefully RAZD will point out that the graph clearly shows a gradual decrease in moisture content of the dolomitic substrate meaning that the tree would become gradually more moisture-stressed and thus stress rings would be produced which would not be mistaken for annual rings.

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Atheos canadensis
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Message 217 of 305 (712412)
12-03-2013 1:55 PM
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12-03-2013 12:34 PM


Re: Called it
Pow! Message 169
Prize me!

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Atheos canadensis
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Message 219 of 305 (712421)
12-03-2013 3:30 PM
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12-03-2013 2:26 PM


Re: Called it
I will treasure it always.
It certainly does show that he is willing to misinterpret the data (whether intentionally or unwittingly) in whatever way will suit his interests.

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Message 221 of 305 (712448)
12-03-2013 7:08 PM


Accuracy of Tree Ring Dating of Bristlecone Pine for Calibration of the Radiocarbon T
Accuracy of Tree Ring Dating of Bristlecone Pine for Calibration of the Radiocarbon Time Scale - LaMarche and Harlan, 1973
I have a copy of this paper but no idea how to share it here.
Also, getting pretty tired of Mindspawn blithely throwing out error-causing scenarios generally without providing any evidence that they could happen and always without providing evidence that they have happened and then demanding citations for every refutation RAZD makes. No wonder RAZD is outposting him so much; he's actually doing his best to back up what he's saying. Not to mention that Mindspawn has offered only the vaguest wisp of an explanation for why all these independent lines of evidence display such consillience.
Edited by Atheos canadensis, : added a couple tablespoons of grump.

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Message 301 of 305 (714901)
12-29-2013 1:11 PM


Well it seems that my declaration of imminent victory way back when was rather premature. I underestimated Mindspawn's willingness to dig in his heels in the face of evidence. But I think it is now safe to say that RAZD has fact-hammered him into submission. Victory for RAZD Fact-hammer!

  
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