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Author | Topic: Peanut Gallery for Great debate: radiocarbon dating, Mindspawn and Coyote/RAZD | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
NoNukes Inactive Member |
I thought Mindspawn might become convinced that varve layers are predominantly annual if ... Hope springs eternal in the human breast, I guess.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2096 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I thought Mindspawn might become convinced that varve layers are predominantly annual if ... Hope springs eternal in the human breast, I guess. My assessment of the situation is that Mindspawn cannot accept radiometric dating, or the results it produces, under any circumstances, because if he were to do so his entire world view would be compromised. This is why he has to find objections to all of these dating methods--that allows him to keep his world view intact. It doesn't matter that those objections are outlandish, or contradicted by a massive amount of evidence. That he is able to produce those objections is sufficient for his purposes. Just doing so lets him maintain his beliefs. I suspect that the magnificent post that RAZD did in the Great Debate thread will get nowhere. The points he raised will be ignored, denied, or obfuscated, or just drowned under an onslaught of "what-ifs" without any supporting evidence.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I still don't see how he could have gleaned a hint from that paper, which is solely about using non-14C results to calibrate 14C results. Look at the bold text in RAZD's message 64 and squint real hard while clicking your heels. When I do that, I can almost see mindspawn's point.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Atheos canadensis Member (Idle past 2988 days) Posts: 141 Joined: |
It was indeed a magnificent and thorough post. It seems like RAZD has soundly refuted all of Mindspawn's major objections. But I agree the he is unlikely to see it that way and will have to be beaten into submission over the course of several more posts.
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JonF Member (Idle past 158 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Look at the bold text in RAZD's message 64 and squint real hard while clicking your heels. Message 64 where?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1395 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 158 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Ah, now I see.
But I don't. No way can that be interpreted as calibrating U-Th dating.
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are your eyes shut tight and are you repeating "I do believe in fairies"?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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JonF Member (Idle past 158 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Wut?
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you want Tinker Bells light to go out?
Shame on you!Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2096 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Another magnificent post by RAZD.
Message 25 Now we'll see if Mindspawn wants to discuss radiocarbon dating, continue on with more rabbit holes and what-ifs, or makes himself scarce. If the former, I'll be happy to rejoin that thread.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9486 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.6
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Mindspawn writes: However I believe these regions were in dryer environments in the past. Aha, there it is! Backed into a corner, out of ammo, floodlights on, he's forced to play the last ditch, creationist catchall defence: "It was [dryer] then" I love a happy ending.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But I don't. No way can that be interpreted as calibrating U-Th dating. Of course not. It can only by misinterpretted as calibrating U-Th dating. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
mindspawn writes: However I believe these regions were in dryer environments in the past. Tangle writes: Aha, there it is! Backed into a corner, out of ammo, floodlights on, he's forced to play the last ditch, creationist catchall defence: But notice the skillful avoidance of the words "what if". Notice that is belief is of something never expressed until his original idea was trashed. Finally, notice that he has never provided any evidence to a link to rainfall anyway. And then, what about U-Th dating. Absent some explanation for that, aren't these other "I believes" or "what ifs" moot?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2096 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
In two replies Mindspun has failed to lay a glove on RAZD.
His posts are a long on speculation and wishful thinking and short on evidence. Particularly, they are short on evidence that would contradict what RAZD has posted. He has nothing but "what-ifs" as usual. Speculating on what rainfall may or may not have done is no substitute for explaining some reason why all of those different materials show the same patterns, which together make up the calibration curve.
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