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Author Topic:   Why "YEC"/Fundamentalist Creationism is BAD for America
Dredge
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Message 180 of 238 (853647)
05-30-2019 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
11-10-2013 6:46 PM


RAZD writes:

In this thread I propose to discuss why "creationism" in general, and "Young Earth Creationism (YEC)" in particular are BAD for the US.


YEC gives Christianity a bad name. Saint Augustine cautioned Christians to not deny known scientific facts in favour of faulty interpretations of Scriptures, as it heaps shame and embarrassment on the Church.

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Message 182 of 238 (853949)
06-03-2019 1:37 AM
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05-30-2019 8:04 AM


I don't believe in aliens

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Dredge
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Message 195 of 238 (854025)
06-04-2019 10:21 AM
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06-03-2019 12:00 PM


ringo writes:


So you lied when you said that aliens were the "best scientific explanation" for... whatever. Something that doesn't exist can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything.


No, no lying. According to science, the existence of aliens is not impossible. A scientific theory, believe it or not, has nothing to do with belief - it is simply an explanation according to the rules and parameters of science. Belief is irrelevant.(Besides, why believe a theory when you know a better theory may well arise to replace it?).

And consider this: I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water, but I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific.

This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth.

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Message 207 of 238 (854321)
06-07-2019 2:33 AM
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06-04-2019 12:44 PM


Taq writes:

Atheists don't have a problem understanding why people will believe in claims that have no evidence to back them, and why they would reject solid conclusions based on evidence. It appears to be a common human flaw.


Fine … believe that this life is all there is - if that's what makes you happy.

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Message 208 of 238 (854322)
06-07-2019 2:39 AM
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06-04-2019 11:47 AM


ringo writes:

So there you go, admitting that you have no respect for science. You have "better explanations".


A poor argument but what an excellent "straw man"!

Believing science is limited doesn't mean I have no respect for what science can achieve.

A super computer can't tell me about God but that doesn't mean I have no respect for a super computer.

What have atheists got to do with it?

To an atheist, science is the ultimate measure of truth - ie, science is their god and in effect, they worship it.

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Dredge
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Message 209 of 238 (854323)
06-07-2019 2:46 AM
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06-04-2019 10:27 AM


Theodoric writes:

Science does not care about truth. Science cares about where the data leads. Data changes therefore science changes with it.


Hilarious! Next you'll be telling me scientists can be trusted to be 100% objective!

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Message 212 of 238 (854930)
06-14-2019 3:56 AM
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06-07-2019 5:02 AM


Tangle writes:

. Science collectively corrects the errors of scientists.


Except when it comes to the Darwinian explanation for the history of life, which can't be questioned. Apparently, accepting a flawed theory is better than saying "We don't know."

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