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Thugpreacha
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Message 185 of 238 (853975)
06-03-2019 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by ringo
06-03-2019 12:00 PM


Dredge Unplugged
Knowing Dredge, which I, of course, don't... I'm guessing that he believes in One Holy Spirit, Creator of all seen and unseen...but that all of the activity found in historical mythos concerning aliens(beings from another planet) is in actuality spiritual....and of course we Christians believe that spirits=demons=ghosts. Thus, the phenomena if they could be objectively measured originate from a spiritual realm rather than a physical visitor from another planet (such as ET was portrayed as)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 187 of 238 (853978)
06-03-2019 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by ringo
06-03-2019 12:56 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Keep in mind that the best explanations are not always scientific. There are some events that have intuitive unverifiable explanations. Science is not always the best explanation by default conclusion

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 190 of 238 (853985)
06-03-2019 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by ringo
06-03-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
That's where you are wrong. And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!! Aghast at the reality that they won't be able to explain.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 191 of 238 (853986)
06-03-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Tangle
06-03-2019 2:00 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
If you're going to make a claim like this it absolutely must be followed by, 'for example....'
You likely will see the evidence before you die. Then again, I don't know. But I do know that all things hidden will one day be revealed.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 198 of 238 (854037)
06-04-2019 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Taq
06-03-2019 5:59 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Thugpreacha writes:

That's where you are wrong. And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!! Aghast at the reality that they won't be able to explain.

Taq writes:

That's what every con man says.

In the meantime, we will use the evidence that actually exists.

Actually, I applaud you for being skeptical and honest. I'm not asking you to believe me...after all, im probably misusing my meds or something.

What I am asking you to do is to consider all sides when weighing your final evidence. Don't base your entire belief system on raw data. Use your intuition.

All of the evidence is not yet in.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 201 of 238 (854040)
06-04-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by Tangle
06-03-2019 3:02 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Double Post

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 202 of 238 (854041)
06-04-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by Tangle
06-03-2019 3:02 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
ringo writes:

If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything.

Yes. I agree that the "spiritual realm" (if it exists) cannot be objectively measured. Perhaps Dredge is onflating the two.

Tangle, addressing me writes:

I guess you have finally lost it. I'm sorry.

I have noted that I am a bit defensive and edgy lately. It likely is a meds thing---I wont blame demons for that one!

...But I do know that all things hidden will one day be revealed.

tangle writes:

you neither know that nor even know what it means - if anything. Just religious blather.


Lets put it in context.Perhaps I am interpreting the scripture wrong. jar always told me that I "take pieces parts out of context"...
Matt 10:16-26 writes:


"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

21 "Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

24 "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household! 26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
NKJV

tangle writes:

But not knowing doesn't prevent you making totally baseless claims just like all the nutters have done for thousands of years.

I have a scrip for this one, too.
2 Peter 3:1-9 writes:


Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
NKJV


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 203 of 238 (854043)
06-04-2019 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by ringo
06-04-2019 11:40 AM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Phat writes:

And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!!


ringo writes:

That's a totally empty claim with no basis in reality whatsoever.

It is a belief. I well could be wrong and honestly hope that I am. I don't want end times any more than you or anyone else does. I may be a nutter but I am not suicidal! Of course, Paul always boasted that to live is Christ and to die is gain, but he had a tougher life than I do. If I were being run around like he was, I might want to get outta Dodge!

My basic point is that not everything that may happen will be corroborated by evidence except after the fact.

Let me ask you a couple of questions, ringo. Do you believe that Jesus was anything more than an Elmer Gantry type of amalgamation? Would you ever reconsider based on intuition or would you man up and wait for solid objective evidence? Because I don't think you will ever get that until after the fact. (Hopefully I'm wrong and we can all spend a day fishing with tangle someday.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : clarification


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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