A gradual emergence with no discernible beginning.
A gradual beginning just means that it had a beginning but just took a long time to complete.
No, as stipulated, there is no discernible beginning.
Two half-verses, with their own existence, combining to make a whole universe.
But those two verses existed already just not in the form it was after they combined.Would those two verses you are talking about have had a beginning to exist or would they have existed eternally in the past?
My first claim is the universe has existed eternally in some form just not the form we see today. In other words the materials it is made of existed eternally.
But they are not the universe existing in some form. And those two half-universes emerged from two quarter-universes each.
Did the universe exist at T=0? No
There is no at T=0, its an asymptote.
You haven't ever presented another option.
But I have. Multiple times now. With explanations how they refute you.
Once you have presented evidence I will consider it. If it is true then I will change what I believe.
Your behavior shows this to be a lie. You will just dig your heels in further and maintain your belief in spite of all the evidence and explanations.
Until you are some one else presents evidence that the universe has not always existed in some form or had a beginning to exist I will keep that position.
No, you will keep your position regardless. And we'll all watch it happen (its already begun).
That's one of the problems with YEC. They already think they're right and nothing anyone ever says can change that. You're exhibiting this behavior exactly.
quote:“The faith passes, so to speak, through a distiller and becomes ideology. And ideology does not beckon [people]. In ideologies there is not Jesus: in his tenderness, his love, his meekness. And ideologies are rigid, always. Of every sign: rigid. And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’
Are you a theistic evolutionist. Is god not allowed to use similar materials, clearly this is what he did, manufacturers do this all the time. Common ancestor common creator, mate
Okay, regardless of the origin, and based upon the classification systems that are used, a human is an ape, right?
mate if I was just primate
Wait right there, without simply denying the classification outright, take a look at what the requirements are (that I posted), and you'll find that you do not disqualify for any of them, and that is why you should be classified as a primate.
Can you do that?
there is no way in Gods good green earth I would be in here chewing the fat with you, I'd be smacking you over the nut and banging your wife,
Think of your father's father's father's father's father. Then think 10 times that much. There was some ubergrand-father of your's, that was "smacking you over the nut and banging your wife" to others.
And if you think back to Darwin's seemingly racist quotes about the "savages", and also realize that the point he was making was that all of our forefathers were once in that state, then can you get a sense of the broader message of unity that he was actually to make?