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Author Topic:   Why "YEC"/Fundamentalist Creationism is BAD for America
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Message 94 of 238 (718536)
02-07-2014 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Jaf
02-06-2014 10:37 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Jaf writes:

I'm not closely related to any apes, you may wish to believe you are.


The apes may not be thrilled about being related to you either but we don't get to choose our relatives.
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Message 128 of 238 (718685)
02-08-2014 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Jaf
02-07-2014 6:39 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Jaf writes:

We get to tell people in funny white coats, clip boards and Bunsen burners to effoff when they try and lie to us about who are ancestors are.


Sure you do. You also get to yell at the TV when some cartoon character does something you don't like. But scientists won't pay any more attention to you than your TV does. Creationism is a dead issue.
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Message 129 of 238 (718686)
02-08-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Jaf
02-08-2014 6:36 AM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Jaf writes:

... wtf is the creation part then, ???"??????????"??????????


The creation part is for the creationists to provide. You tell us what the creationist model is.
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Message 177 of 238 (718899)
02-09-2014 1:06 PM
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02-08-2014 4:58 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkey
Jaf writes:

Actually I think you will the find hellavision is on your side I'm often yelling at the lies that come out of it in relation to so called science.


I think you'll find that most things are on the side of reality. All you're doing is shaking your little fist at a cloud.
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Message 178 of 238 (718900)
02-09-2014 1:10 PM
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02-08-2014 4:56 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Jaf writes:

You tell me what it is chap its
your troll hole not mine.


By definition, a troll would be somebody who's here to stir up trouble instead of honestly discussing the issues. The onus is on creationists to present their side of the question. Unfortunately, there's little enough to present and few creationists understand creationism any better than they understand science.
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Message 184 of 238 (853974)
06-03-2019 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Dredge
06-03-2019 1:37 AM


Dredge writes:

I don't believe in aliens


So you lied when you said that aliens were the "best scientific explanation" for... whatever. Something that doesn't exist can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything.

Izquierdo.

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Message 186 of 238 (853976)
06-03-2019 12:56 PM
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06-03-2019 12:45 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Phat writes:

Thus, the phenomena if they could be objectively measured originate from a spiritual realm....


If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything.

Izquierdo.

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Message 188 of 238 (853979)
06-03-2019 1:21 PM
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06-03-2019 1:12 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Phat writes:

Keep in mind that the best explanations are not always scientific.


I keep in mind that that's your opinion. You're wrong.

But that isn't the issue here. Dredge was talking about the "best scientific explanation", not the "best woo explanation".

Phat writes:

There are some events that have intuitive unverifiable explanations.


If it's unverifiable, it isn't even good, much less best.

Izquierdo.

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Message 199 of 238 (854038)
06-04-2019 11:40 AM
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06-03-2019 2:26 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Phat writes:

And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!!


That's a totally empty claim with no basis in reality whatsoever.

Izquierdo.

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Message 200 of 238 (854039)
06-04-2019 11:47 AM
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06-04-2019 10:21 AM


Dredge writes:

According to science, the existence of aliens is not impossible.


"Not impossible" does not make for the "best possible explanation". Any scientific explanation has to be based on something that is.

Dredge writes:

I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water...


No you couldn't. First, you'd have to have evidence that Jesus actually existed. Then you'd have to have evidence that He walked on water. Only then would science take any interest in the how.

Dredge writes:

... I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific.


So there you go, admitting that you have no respect for science. You have "better explanations".

Dredge writes:

This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth.


What have atheists got to do with it?

Izquierdo.

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Message 204 of 238 (854046)
06-04-2019 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Thugpreacha
06-04-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Phat writes:

It is a belief.


Frankly, I don't think it is. It's more like wishful thinking; you relish the thought of being able to say, "I told you so."

Phat writes:

My basic point is that not everything that may happen will be corroborated by evidence except after the fact.


You could say the same thing about any nonsense you choose to spout: Trump will ride to his twentieth inauguration on a flying unicorn.

ABE:

Phat writes:

Do you believe that Jesus was anything more than an Elmer Gantry type of amalgamation?


No.

Phat writes:

Would you ever reconsider based on intuition or would you man up and wait for solid objective evidence?


You know the answer to that. Intuition is thoroughly unreliable.

Edited by ringo, : Replied to Phat's edit.


Izquierdo.

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Message 211 of 238 (854344)
06-07-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Dredge
06-07-2019 2:39 AM


Dredge writes:

ringo writes:

So there you go, admitting that you have no respect for science. You have "better explanations".


A poor argument but what an excellent "straw man"!

It's not an argument. It's an observation.

Dredge writes:

Believing science is limited doesn't mean I have no respect for what science can achieve.


Just about everybody agrees that science is limited. But you didn't just say that science is limited. You said, "I have a better explanation that is non-scientific." You have not shown that your non-scientific "explanation" is "better".

Dredge writes:

A super computer can't tell me about God but that doesn't mean I have no respect for a super computer.


A supercomputer can tell you as much about God as it can tell you about leprechauns or Bigfeet. You have not shown that there is anything about God, leprechauns or Bigfeet that a supercomputer can't tell you.

Dredge writes:

To an atheist, science is the ultimate measure of truth - ie, science is their god and in effect, they worship it.


So, again, what has that got to do with this conversation? Are there any atheists here who think that way? You might as well be pontificating about how black people think.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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