the problem is that YEC is not a monolithic venture. there are young earth creationists who acknowledge that the bible is their primary source, and others that like to pretend it's a purely scientific venture (that coincidentally agrees with their reading of the bible). similarly, there people here who only want to discuss science, the scientific objections to creationism, and the scientific ramifications. perhaps coyote is one of those people. there are others who are perfectly willing to talk about both religion and science, and still others who are primarily interested in the religious aspects.
and so here, we have multiple fora where we can discuss the purely scientific, the purely religious, and various degrees of combinations. this forum is in the "science forums" section, where science (and not the bible) is the primary driving force of the discussion; here we will discuss the bible only in so far as it relates to science, testable claims, etc. over in the "social and religious forums" section, we'll only talk about science in so far as it relates to the bible, but religious concerns are the primary driving factor.
Of these the Young Earth Creationists (YEC) are -- imho -- as deluded as flat earth believers, because the age of the earth is demonstrably older than 6,000 years by several factors by simple counting methods.
And that delusion is why their beliefs should not be included in public school science classes.
I'd like to see the arguments and who they are being presented too, I find it unusual that creationists are seeking a political solution to this issue don't you? As long as our freedom is not curtailed to believe and educate our young, which is clearly what you are trying to have politically removed from us, is that correct, hopefully you will answer me honestly.
The US constitution provides specifically for separation of church and state and explicitly states that no one religion or religious view shall be "established" or endorsed by any public function. This includes public schools but does restrict private schools.
This preserves all our freedoms. People who want to teach their children delusional ideas are free to do so via home schooling or a private school if that suits their beliefs.
So the forum is evolution verses creation, and you need me to explain what is meant by creation and what I believe it to be in order to get a thread up here, wow.
The idea is simple: if you are going to argue a position -- no matter what it is -- in a thread, that your position needs to be stated. That defines what you are going to defend in the thread.
So far you have been given a lot of latitude to just make random statements of highly questionable value. When you start a thread you need to rise up to a higher intellectual standard of quality and defend it with substance.