Not really, the criteria is not what people think, it is what is supported by the evidence and that the scientific process can be replicated and reviewed and tested and that the result is validated concepts.

It is the process that makes science work, not the people, not their beliefs.

So no, not at all like the dark ages of knowledge suppression by religious dictatorships

It seems to me that many religious people cannot fathom this distinction, because they seems to only know one way of thinking: dictation by authority.

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Message 168 of 238 (718812)
02-08-2014 11:07 PM

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02-08-2014 10:46 PM

Re: Gap-toothed creationists

We'll the bible is yec, which is why I don't get the popes mates advocating for theistic evolution.

And that should be a clue that your premise that the bible is yec is false. There are many christians that follow the bible but are not yec, and cover the rest of the field of creationism from old earth creationist to theistic creationist.

And this should also be a clue that the problem is not between the bible and science but the yec views and science.

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Message 169 of 238 (718813)
02-08-2014 11:20 PM

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02-08-2014 10:49 PM

Re: You're not doing so well...

I understand how you would like me to behave but the undertone of many responses is very subjective and non scientific and a personal attack.

A couple of years ago you would have experienced a lot of reprimands for language and personal attacks -- you have been allowed a LOT of leeway to bare your soul ... and the picture was not pretty.

You benefit from relaxed enforcement in an effort to encourage more creationist participation. My opinion is that bending over backwards does not help when what is desired is creationists that debate with substance, arbuments supported by evidence rather than just assertions based on fantasy.

I find it curious that creationists will claim a superior morality based on their beliefs but fail to exhibit model behavior.

So it is not so much that I want you to behave according to my standards but that I expect you to behave according to your standards of good behavior -- you are an ambassador for your beliefs.

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Message 170 of 238 (718814)
02-08-2014 11:28 PM

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02-08-2014 10:54 PM

Re: You're not doing so well...

I have found the mods quite accommodating, that is true. I came here as a creationist, but no chips on my shoulder.

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Message 171 of 238 (718815)
02-08-2014 11:28 PM

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02-08-2014 5:01 PM

Re: Gap-toothed creationists

You deny insulting my intellect, tisk tisk, it is what you guys do all day long, you claim some intellectual academic higher ground that doesn't exist any more than any moral high ground exists.

I have said undereducated ignorant -- which just means that you don't know -- and that leaves you intellectually stunted, but it does not say you are incapable of learning, that is a choice you make: learn or remain ignorant.

Curiously I don't see wanting to be ignorant as a good thing, not for any one person, and certainly not for a nation.

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Message 172 of 238 (718816)
02-08-2014 11:31 PM

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Re: You're not doing so well...

Yes I was here few years ago and that has changed but the anti creationist anti Christ vibe and attitude of the members is the same, mate if you insult people you get insulted back it's rather pathetic to accuse me for being the instigator of insults and adhom.

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Message 173 of 238 (718817)
02-08-2014 11:35 PM

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02-08-2014 11:02 PM

Re: reality vs fantasy?

For you to get what you want will require a forced political solution under duress, is this what you want to achieve?

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Message 174 of 238 (718818)
02-08-2014 11:41 PM

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Re: You're not doing so well...

I find it curious that you expect model behaviour from a model you don't believe exists, not to mention hypocritical of you and I'd like to point out its an insane expectation.

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Message 175 of 238 (718828)
02-09-2014 1:03 AM

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02-08-2014 10:23 PM

Re: reality vs fantasy?

What exactly is your problem then. You and creationists are protected by the constitution aren't you?

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Message 176 of 238 (718860)
02-09-2014 8:40 AM

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02-08-2014 11:31 PM

so you lied about membership too?

Yes I was here few years ago and that has changed ...

So you know you have been given a lot of latitude.

... but the anti creationist anti Christ vibe and attitude of the members is the same, mate ...

which is not anti-Christian but against arguments that are demonstrably anti-fact and anti-reality like most of yec beliefs ... not all Christians are yec, so your claim is not valid.

... if you insult people you get insulted back it's rather pathetic to accuse me for being the instigator of insults and adhom.

And yet all one needs to do is review your first posts ... as jaf

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Message 177 of 238 (718899)
02-09-2014 1:06 PM

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02-08-2014 4:58 PM

Re: Ape-tooth monkey

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Actually I think you will the find hellavision is on your side I'm often yelling at the lies that come out of it in relation to so called science.

I think you'll find that most things are on the side of reality. All you're doing is shaking your little fist at a cloud.

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Message 178 of 238 (718900)
02-09-2014 1:10 PM

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02-08-2014 4:56 PM

Re: Ape-tooth monkeys

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You tell me what it is chap its
your troll hole not mine.

By definition, a troll would be somebody who's here to stir up trouble instead of honestly discussing the issues. The onus is on creationists to present their side of the question. Unfortunately, there's little enough to present and few creationists understand creationism any better than they understand science.

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Message 179 of 238 (719044)
02-10-2014 5:36 PM

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02-07-2014 10:30 PM

Re: Ape-tooth monkeys

Then, what is your excuse for your immorality and lack of intellectual prowess?? Using the bible??

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Message 180 of 238 (853647)
05-30-2019 1:10 AM

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In this thread I propose to discuss why "creationism" in general, and "Young Earth Creationism (YEC)" in particular are BAD for the US.

YEC gives Christianity a bad name. Saint Augustine cautioned Christians to not deny known scientific facts in favour of faulty interpretations of Scriptures, as it heaps shame and embarrassment on the Church.

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Message 181 of 238 (853648)
05-30-2019 8:04 AM

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Aliens anybody?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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