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Dredge Member  Posts: 1176 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I don't believe in aliens
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AZPaul3 Member  Posts: 4136 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Not the natural kind anyway. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member  Posts: 16673 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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So you lied when you said that aliens were the "best scientific explanation" for... whatever. Something that doesn't exist can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. Izquierdo.
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Thugpreacha Member  Posts: 12441 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
 I'm guessing that he believes in One Holy Spirit, Creator of all seen and unseen...but that all of the activity found in historical mythos concerning aliens(beings from another planet) is in actuality spiritual....and of course we Christians believe that spirits=demons=ghosts. Thus, the phenomena if they could be objectively measured originate from a spiritual realm rather than a physical visitor from another planet (such as ET was portrayed as)Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 16673 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. Izquierdo.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12441 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 16673 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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I keep in mind that that's your opinion. You're wrong. But that isn't the issue here. Dredge was talking about the "best scientific explanation", not the "best woo explanation".
If it's unverifiable, it isn't even good, much less best. Izquierdo.
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Tangle Member  Posts: 6918 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12441 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12441 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 6918 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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I guess you have finally lost it. I'm sorry.
But not knowing doesn't prevent you making totally baseless claims just like all the nutters have done for thousands of years.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 6310 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member  Posts: 7921 Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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In the meantime, we will use the evidence that actually exists. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed my own mistake
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Dredge Member Posts: 1176 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
No, no lying. According to science, the existence of aliens is not impossible. A scientific theory, believe it or not, has nothing to do with belief - it is simply an explanation according to the rules and parameters of science. Belief is irrelevant.(Besides, why believe a theory when you know a better theory may well arise to replace it?). And consider this: I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water, but I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific. This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 6310 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Science≠Truth. Science does not care about truth. Science cares about where the data leads. Data changes therefore science changes with it. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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