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Dredge Member Posts: 1295 From: Australia Joined: |
I don't believe in aliens
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5744 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Not the natural kind anyway.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member Posts: 18937 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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So you lied when you said that aliens were the "best scientific explanation" for... whatever. Something that doesn't exist can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 15132 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Knowing Dredge, which I, of course, don't...
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 18937 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything. Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 15132 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Keep in mind that the best explanations are not always scientific. There are some events that have intuitive unverifiable explanations. Science is not always the best explanation by default conclusion
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 18937 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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I keep in mind that that's your opinion. You're wrong. But that isn't the issue here. Dredge was talking about the "best scientific explanation", not the "best woo explanation".
If it's unverifiable, it isn't even good, much less best. Izquierdo.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8090 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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If you're going to make a claim like this it absolutely must be followed by, 'for example....'
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 15132 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That's where you are wrong. And the sad thing is, once this fact becomes known globally, the entire scientific secular humanist community will be quite literally blown away!! Aghast at the reality that they won't be able to explain.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 15132 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8090 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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I guess you have finally lost it. I'm sorry.
But not knowing doesn't prevent you making totally baseless claims just like all the nutters have done for thousands of years.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Whatever. We have been waiting thousands of years for this "evidence". Woo has never been shown to be a better explanation than science. Trickle down economics is more likely to be proven real.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 8482 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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That's what every con man says.
In the meantime, we will use the evidence that actually exists. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed my own mistake
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Dredge Member Posts: 1295 From: Australia Joined: |
No, no lying. According to science, the existence of aliens is not impossible. A scientific theory, believe it or not, has nothing to do with belief - it is simply an explanation according to the rules and parameters of science. Belief is irrelevant.(Besides, why believe a theory when you know a better theory may well arise to replace it?). And consider this: I could think of the best scientific explanation for how Jesus walked on water, but I wouldn't believe that explanation because I have a better explanation that is non-scientific. This is a difficult concept for an atheist to grasp, since to an atheist, science= truth. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Science≠Truth.
Science does not care about truth. Science cares about where the data leads. Data changes therefore science changes with it. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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