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Coyote
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Message 35 of 78 (715461)
01-05-2014 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by AndrewPD
01-05-2014 2:39 PM


Permission?
I don't see why we must have an explanation for the origin of species and why it would be possible.
So you think there should be a list of subjects that are not to be addressed?
Who is to make that list? And why should anyone follow that list?
I can accept that there may be truths that are hard or impossible to access I don't think we have permission to concoct a theory on the grounds that somehow a theory is demanded.
Again, permission? Permission from whom?
I don't have to believe the moon is made of cheese just because I haven't proffered an alternate explanation.
You don't have to believe anything. But there is considerable evidence for many things, and for those you'd be foolish to bet the rent money otherwise.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Message 56 of 78 (716984)
01-22-2014 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by AndrewPD
01-22-2014 9:05 PM


I think we see where the problem lies
What is the value of making a claim about what happened a million years ago? You would need a time machine to validate it.
So, you would have us not examine any evidence from the distant past? You would have us not even attempt to learn anything about what went on before?
As an archaeologist, let me suggest that is a very poor attitude, and one that is not borne out by the evidence. We can learn about the past.
Also, let me suggest that the only reason you don't want us and the other -ologists exploring the past is that you don't like the answers we are coming up with.
Am I supposed to start scratching my bottom, swinging in trees and eating bananas? The implications attached to the ramifications of evolution are largely negative and derogatory to human status.
And what has that to do with their accuracy? You don't like the results so you badmouth the process?
Better you should first examine how the results were obtained, and check out the process--the scientific method. But then, that might involve some study and learning, and you might have to accept those results if the process and data stand up to your scrutiny.
So, are you up to the challenge?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Coyote
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Message 61 of 78 (717127)
01-24-2014 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by AndrewPD
01-24-2014 1:43 PM


Re: Confusion and misinformation.
Evolution theory was used to justify atrocities...
And religion has been used all through recorded history to justify atrocities.
And it isn't even based on reality, just old tribal myths!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Coyote
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Message 74 of 78 (717292)
01-26-2014 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by AndrewPD
01-26-2014 12:23 AM


Re: Confusion, misinformation and misuse
I don't think you can claim humans evolved and not expect to have deep consequences to how we view ourselves and society.
So scientists should have to self-censor their research lest they offend some elements of society?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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