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Author Topic:   On The Limits of Human Talent
Dogmafood
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Message 5 of 126 (711384)
11-18-2013 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by marc9000
11-17-2013 4:40 PM


To acknowledge that there are some things that humans will never be able to figure out, to the extent to be able to challenge anything the 66 book Bible says.
That is a difficult position to support given that so many of the things attributed to God in the bible are in direct and obvious conflict with what we have learned about nature. If there is a God then surely his intent is revealed without the possibility of error by the nature of the universe. Giving precedence to the words of the bible over the revelations of nature is like using a compass that has a magnet stuck to it's underside.
It is only when we stop our investigations that we meet the limits of our ability to understand.

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Dogmafood
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Message 10 of 126 (711428)
11-18-2013 6:31 PM
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11-17-2013 4:40 PM


God can not be wrong
It is not the word of God that is wrong because that is impossible. If good science appears to conflict with the word of God then it must be your understanding of the word of God that is wrong.

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Dogmafood
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Message 23 of 126 (711643)
11-21-2013 4:44 AM
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11-20-2013 7:36 PM


Re: God can not be wrong
And the understanding of atheists that shout it from the rooftops, on the public dime.
The beautiful thing about science is that a kilogram is a kilogram regardless of who does the weighing. A kilo of grass is the same for a Rastafarian as it is for an atheist and the Lord loves an honest measure. I think that is why he gave us scales.
The thermometers that measure sea temperature are not influenced by philosophy. The co2 monitors that measure atmospheric co2 concentrations are not swayed by feelings of guilt nor are they concerned with the possible economic repercussions of their readings. Ice melts at the same temperature for Episcopalian scientists that it does for atheist scientists.
"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." Proverbs 4:7

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Dogmafood
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Message 61 of 126 (711911)
11-24-2013 8:33 AM
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11-23-2013 9:00 PM


Re: I guess I need to chip in here.
"Error range"? I've never heard that expression before, do different scientific disciplines have different error ranges? Who determines what that range is?
Error range or margin of error applies to every measurement ever taken. It is used to indicate the potential inaccuracy of any stated measurement.
Any legitimate poll, for example, will always have a statement that says something like 'accurate within 5% 19 times out of 20'. All of the measurements on a blueprint will have a stated tolerance for error. If the print calls for a 1.000" square block to be machined it will say 1.000" +/- .002. This means that the block can be 0.998 or it can be 1.002 inches and still be acceptable. It also means that your measuring equipment must be capable of measuring .002 of an inch.
An error range is determined by the accuracy of the equipment or method being used. It is an essential acknowledgment that measurements are seldom 100% correct and if you do not allow for potential errors then they can accumulate and lead to really big errors.
Say that we want to calculate the age of the earth and all we have is the bible for evidence. We add up all the ages of the folks mentioned there and we know from this that the earth must be at least 6000 yrs old or whatever it is. However, this tells us nothing about how much older the earth might be. Therefore, the error range for this calculation is minus 0 yrs plus an infinite amount of yrs. Immediately we can see that it is not a very useful calculation.

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