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Jon
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Message 16 of 77 (712860)
12-07-2013 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by yenmor
12-07-2013 9:16 AM


Re: No.
What does it teach our children?
That the answer to evil and violence is not more evil and violence.

Love your enemies!

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Message 19 of 77 (712865)
12-07-2013 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by yenmor
12-07-2013 12:40 PM


Re: No.
You are a criminal.
Your response to the slaughtering of thousands is to slaughter a thousand more.
You are a criminal.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 26 of 77 (712881)
12-07-2013 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by AZPaul3
12-07-2013 7:01 PM


Re: No.
But I think I'll give Yenmor the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be a young man who has never been witness, nor given much thought, to the horrors of war. I think he may have that romantic view of war as something noble when pursued for an idealistic cause instead of as a dispicable horror to be avoided whenever possible.
Yenmor's position only makes sense from a criminal's perspective.
Only a criminal, claiming to be on the side of the oppressed group, would prefer thousands of them to die when they could have their freedom without any of their deaths.
Yenmor's just a criminal.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 27 of 77 (712882)
12-07-2013 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by yenmor
12-07-2013 4:51 PM


You are speaking from hindsight. If you apply the same logic with a different situation, say with the nazis... you can fill in the blanks.
What keeps the Germans from once again rounding up and exterminating as many Jewish people as they can find is not the memory of any prior punishment, but the memory of the atrocity of the Holocaust.
What's important is we deter evil doers in the future.
A good place to start is to not become evildoers ourselves.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 35 of 77 (712921)
12-08-2013 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by NoNukes
12-08-2013 1:55 AM


Re: No.
This statement, coming from a man who believes the Wilmington Massacre was pure 'democracy in action', is pretty close to laughable.
As is pretty much any civil war. But anyone who knows they can get the same results without the deaths of a whole bunch of people and yet chooses the route that ensures the deaths of a whole bunch of people is simply a vile and disgusting human being.
And when they promote such evil from the comfort of their first-world armchair, sipping coffee in their sweatshop pajamas, the immorality of their ideas is only made greater.
Since yenmor is a criminal why don't you tell us what would be appropriate punishment for his thought crimes.
My statement is clear enough for anyone who wishes to understand it. The word 'criminal' does not just refer only to law-breaking behavior; though I can see how a 'creationist at heart' might take it that way, and willfully refuse to accept the possibility of a less-than-literal interpretation of the term.

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Jon
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Message 38 of 77 (712926)
12-08-2013 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by NoNukes
12-08-2013 11:56 AM


Re: No.
Perhaps you are the 'criminal'.
How so?

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Jon
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Message 40 of 77 (712940)
12-08-2013 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by yenmor
12-08-2013 4:18 PM


Re: No.
That's my stance. Yours is one of liberal hippy forgive and forget. Since it's the popular thing to say and believe nowadays, I'm not surprised you're so bold with your words.
It's really unfortunate that you feel this way.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 62 of 77 (713122)
12-09-2013 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by yenmor
12-09-2013 9:04 PM


Re: No.
The pro-apartheid officials knew they were on the wrong side of history. So, they gave Mandela an ultimatum. Forgive and forget or else.
Are you sure that's how it happened?
No, I'm not advocating going out of their way to bring about a long and bloody civil war.
quote:
yenmor in Message 10:
I would have gone the civil war route.
Please tell us how you reconcile these positions.

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Jon
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Message 65 of 77 (713128)
12-09-2013 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by yenmor
12-09-2013 10:18 PM


Re: No.
Jeesh.
If you aren't interested in having a discussion, why bother posting?

Love your enemies!

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