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Message 33 of 1896 (713341)
12-12-2013 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Dr Adequate
12-11-2013 11:24 PM


Faith's position is even funnier.
Oh, OK. Faith would like me to remind everyone that not only would she like us to look only at the Grand Canyon when considering whether or not there was a worldwide flood, but she would also like us only to look at it from a distance so's we get a really poor view of it. And no peeking below the Great Unconformity. If you find yourself in danger of getting a glimpse of any actual rocks, hold the Bible in front of your eyes and pray to God for myopia.
She also claims that the very same flood created the strata of the grand canyon and then also eroded the canyon itself.
And she claims the Grand Canyon from the bottom up contains Rube Goldberg solutions.
She is a font of humor.

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Message 425 of 1896 (714151)
12-20-2013 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 415 by Faith
12-20-2013 12:18 AM


Re: Palouse Canyon -- what extreme flood cascade flow does
God trumps it all. Too bad some Christians give in so easily.
That is such an utterly stupid thing to say as if God wrote the Bible. If you believe that then it explains so much since it is patently obvious such a god is an idiot who cannot keep his story straight or even make up her mind what books should be in the Bible she wrote.

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Message 473 of 1896 (714222)
12-20-2013 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by RAZD
12-20-2013 3:49 PM


Re: This all seems so pointless
That river in its current form eroded through three (3) lava dams ...
Pre Hoover Dam form?

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Message 598 of 1896 (714431)
12-22-2013 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by Faith
12-22-2013 1:44 PM


ain't strawmen nice?
Interpretation is pretty straightforward in this case, RAZD, either you think it possible there could have been nearly a billion years during which strata covering hundreds of square miles or maybe even thousands were quietly being laid down without any major disturbances such as earthquakes, tectonic movement, volcanic intrusions and so on, or you don't. I don't.
That might even be interesting if anyone thought that Faith. Get serious. Do you even know what an unconformity is?

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Message 605 of 1896 (714440)
12-22-2013 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 600 by Faith
12-22-2013 1:54 PM


Re: ain't strawmen nice?
AND there are no unconformities in that long stretfch of parallel layers, so my point still stands. Those start above the unconformity and stretch hundreds of miles north and climb to the top of the Grand Staircase without a disturbance to their neat parallel placidity.
HUH?
What makes you think there are no unconformities other that the Great Unconformity? Don't you think the fact that that one is named would imply that there are more than just one?
"Their neat parallel placidity" like the god you market exist only in your mind and you have repeatedly been shown examples.

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Message 688 of 1896 (714697)
12-26-2013 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 687 by Percy
12-26-2013 9:20 AM


Re: HBD questions part 3 the timing
I miss Ray.

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Message 947 of 1896 (715244)
01-02-2014 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 946 by roxrkool
01-02-2014 3:09 PM


Re: Another bad Creationist concept ...
I'm old and so forgetful but it seems to me that there are a few pretty clear examples (maybe even mentioned in this here very thread) of floods caused by dam breaks emptying large lakes and what evidence such events do leave.

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Message 1073 of 1896 (715821)
01-09-2014 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1071 by Faith
01-09-2014 11:24 AM


Wrong yet again:
The enormous size of the canyon requires a HUGE cataclysm to explain it which the Colorado River could not possibly explain.
Except for one worrying fact Faith, geologists have been able to explain what is seen at the Grand Canyon without a "HUGE cataclysm" and which the Colorado River can easily explain.

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Message 1076 of 1896 (715826)
01-09-2014 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1075 by Faith
01-09-2014 12:15 PM


Re: Wrong yet again:
You can "explain" anything if you don't mind violating the laws of nature, something geologists seem to commit at least as often as they accuse creationists of committing it.
That would be an issue Faith, if it were not for the small fact that geologists have been able to explain what is seen at the Grand Canyon without a "HUGE cataclysm" and which the Colorado River can easily explain without violating any laws of nature.

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Message 1078 of 1896 (715828)
01-09-2014 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1077 by herebedragons
01-09-2014 12:31 PM


Re: Back to Basics: The Strata Speak but you aint listening
So, 5 million years of water flow at it natural flow rate would not be sufficient, but a huge lake would be?
And why did the lake emptying create what looks like a normal river and not a flood plain?

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Message 1085 of 1896 (715843)
01-09-2014 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1082 by Faith
01-09-2014 1:28 PM


Re: Back to Basics: The Strata Speak but you aint listening
That might be interesting Faith if it wasn't for the worrying facts that you offer no evidence that there ever was a flood, that your imagined lake ever existed, and that it really is impossible for a cataclysmic flood to produce the meanders seen in the Grand Canyon.

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jar
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Message 1088 of 1896 (715846)
01-09-2014 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1086 by Faith
01-09-2014 1:48 PM


Re: Back to Basics: The Strata Speak but you aint listening
You keep making blind assertions like "Anyone who can't see the evidence for the Flood all over this planet is blind as a bat.", but never provide any evidence.
It might be interesting if it wasn't for the worrying fact that you never provide any evidence of how the flood became the river that cut the meanders.

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Message 1122 of 1896 (715934)
01-10-2014 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1112 by Dr Adequate
01-09-2014 9:24 PM


A possible test of a GC Biblical Flood scenario
In Faith's defense, the mythical flood event may have lasted for about a year or even slightly more. The rain was 40 days and forty nights but the float time was considerably longer at least in the two mutually exclusive stories found in Genesis.
What is interesting is that based on the bible stories we can actually do some testing. How much erosion would we see in the rock samples found in the different strata of the Grand Canyon in a 40 day rain? Then we must add in the erosion of approximately 320 days of combined soak time and then the water outflow.
Should be a really easy test. We can determine the maximum force for the initial rainfall; the pressure would be equal to the terminal velocity of a rain drop. We can also easily determine the hardness of each layer and the surface area that could be eroded during the flood event for each of the rock layers.
I'm sure that the "Creation Scientists" or at least some of their brighter 8th grade students could work that out.

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Message 1226 of 1896 (716210)
01-13-2014 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1224 by Faith
01-13-2014 11:59 AM


Facts
God wrote the universe. Man wrote the Bible. It is YOU who are contradicting what God wrote.

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Message 1275 of 1896 (716314)
01-14-2014 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1271 by Faith
01-14-2014 4:12 PM


Evidence it ain't
Any supposed historical events before the Flood not reported in the Bible are of course questionable because we're all descended from Noah and family and there was nothing left of the antediluvian world.
That could be interesting if it were not for the uncomfortable fact that the same evidence that proves the Biblical flood stories are just myth also refutes the silly idea that we are all descended from Noah.
It's sad that so many truths seem to stand in the way of Faith's TRUTHs.

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