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Stile
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Message 41 of 1896 (713366)
12-12-2013 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
12-12-2013 12:40 PM


Why is the Old Earth interpretation impossible?
Faith writes:
If structurally the strata could not possibly have formed according to the Old Earth interpretation (which looks like an open-and-shut case to me)...
I'm still trying to understand this part. What makes it (or even implies that it may be) impossible?
Can you explain what actually is "open-and-shut?"
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My question is... why is that impossible? Why can't all those layers form over millions (and even up to a billion... as you say) years before getting cut out? Science that says the earth is old says that the earth is over 3 billion years old. Why can't these layers have been forming for hundreds of millions of years (even close to a billion) and then get cut after they all formed?
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From what I can see... there's only 1 Grand Canyon in the world. It's so spectacular and unique that it's even named one of the seven natural wonders of the world. It doesn't seem like this kind of cutting-through-the-landscape is something that can happen on a regular basis.
Something that is so unique on this planet, and only happened once... I don't see much of a problem with that one-time-cutting occurring after "up to a billion years" of layers being formed in the area. After all, those layers had over 3 billion years to form before the canyon was cut. The timeline seems plausible, to me.
That is, in all other parts of the world... this sort of cutting has never happened at all for over 3 billion years.
I don't see an issue with it "not occurring for up to a billion years" in just one place on the planet.

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Message 293 of 1896 (713861)
12-17-2013 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Percy
12-14-2013 11:28 AM


Why do the layers stop?
Just a general question:
Why do all the layers suddenly stop and become a huge mass of granite/schist? (The "Zeraster Granite and Vishnu Schist" area in the diagram below.)
I can think of a few reasons, but I'm wondering which one might be correct:
  • This area isn't what the diagram is attempting to show, so it's details are not included (like graying out Canada and Mexico when showing a map of the US)
  • This is just what happens to any rock-particles that are under such pressure over such a long time... they become granite/schist regardless of what they may have been previously.
  • Excavation to this area is difficult, so it's details are not as well known
  • Something else?

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Message 385 of 1896 (714077)
12-19-2013 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by Percy
12-19-2013 12:16 PM


Re: The Supergroup and the Uplift Continued
Percy writes:
Once canyon formation had begun in earnest, even had there been years of incredible uplift of multiple feet I doubt it would have presented much of an obstacle. The Colorado would have pooled behind it and then spilled across and cut through like a buzzsaw during the spring floods.
Just a quick note... this may have happened, but the pooling isn't a necessary requirement (depending on the exact conditions).
If the conditions allow for the water to speed up enough to reach equilibrium over the "shallower part" (made shallow by the uplift)... then it's possible for there to be no pooling at all.
Or maybe I'm a bit behind... do we know for certain that some pooling actually occurred? If so, then just disregard my comment and I'll be on my way...

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Message 388 of 1896 (714081)
12-19-2013 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by Faith
12-19-2013 2:48 PM


Uplift means lifting up
Faith writes:
Hoo boy, well I see where you get your view of meanders. So somehow the Colorado River was already at the level of the Tapeats or lower or whatever it is, and the strata just grew up all around it to its current depth of a mile to the Kaibab rim, or what? I mean he makes a point of saying the river was always at the level it is.
In a word... yes. This is basically what happened.
Like the picture Percy provided earlier:
See how the sides "grow up" around the river in Percy's picture?
Just like that... the walls of the Grand Canyon "grew up" around the river.
In regards to sea level... if you stood at the river of the Grand Canyon before and after the uplift... you would be at roughly the same height. It's the walls (rest of the land in the area) that were uplifted.
That's why they call it "uplift"... because the land was lifted up.
In exact reality... the river may be lightly lower than it was before (with regards to sea-level). But it would be a small change.

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