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Author Topic:   Is there a legitimate argument for design?
Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 93 of 638 (720324)
02-21-2014 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Stile
02-21-2014 2:34 PM


Re: okay: I'll give you all a hint
Stile writes:
Or Information?
This does seem to be where he is going with this, although this is something that I have seen creationists attempt to argue multiple times and I have never seen any quality evidence for the idea that information requires a higher power more than just random chance and keeping what happened to work a little better.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
Member (Idle past 443 days)
Posts: 438
From: Tempe, Az.
Joined: 10-25-2012


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Message 188 of 638 (725036)
04-23-2014 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Ed67
04-23-2014 1:55 PM


Re: Is There a Legitimate Argument for Design?
Ed67 writes:
Let me get this straight:
You claim that life didn't need an intelligent source to explain its existence. 'all it needs', you seem to be saying, 'is a PRE-EXISTING simple form of LIFE' to evolve from.
Darwinian logic at its best.
On top of that, you claim IN THE PRECEDING SENTENCE that evolution can have nothing to do with the origin of life!
What a disingenuous load of hogwash! That's not even a bad argument, that's an embarrassment.
Shows to what lengths Darwinian propagandists are willing to go...
Maybe it was Frako's poor English that made you misunderstand him, but your laughter was directed at a strawman of the argument that he was making.
Initially he stated that obviously life must be present for evolution to happen. However, we could see just the RNA strand replicating itself based on laws of chemistry through chemical reactions. Frako, then stated "Or would we call that life?" He is pointing out that it becomes very murky water when it gets to the levels of life versus non-life in this scenario. It can replicate itself, but it is still simply a chemical molecule, doing what it must based upon the laws of chemistry. Would you consider something such as RNA just replicating itself but nothing else as life....or must it begin to build other proteins and code for actual processes before you would call it life?
Frako then goes on to mention how errors in the code through replication could allow the molecule to attract lipids, which could form the very basic structure of a cellular membrane, giving us the first cell. Again, still only using the laws of chemistry. Where the designation between life and non-life comes is a part of what scientists researching abiogenesis are looking for.
Finally, your laughter at an entirely plausible idea, simply because you could not understand his meaning (hence why you attributed several ideas ("'all it needs', you seem to be saying, 'is a PRE-EXISTING simple form of LIFE'") to Frako which he did not state) is not beneficial to academic discourse. Perhaps trying to get a better graso instead of relying on your own intellect would allow you to clarify before spouting off answers that do not apply and laughing at someone presenting a reasonable hypothesis to your very minimally fleshed out idea of a cosmic "intelligence"

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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