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Message 139 of 638 (724581)
04-18-2014 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Ed67
04-18-2014 8:50 AM


RE: Is there a legitimate argument for design?
The amount of information stored in the Rocky Mountains is staggering. Does that mean they were intelligently designed?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 141 of 638 (724618)
04-18-2014 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Ed67
04-18-2014 4:18 PM


RE: Is there a legitimate argument for design?
DNA does not contain the instruction set to build an organism, so your question is meaningless.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 148 of 638 (724750)
04-20-2014 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Ed67
04-20-2014 8:29 AM


RE: Is there a legitimate argument for design?
Ed67 writes:

if you say so...but you're going against commonly accepted science.

I think you are confusing popular misconception with commonly accepted science.

Ed67 writes:

Would you care to elaborate?

RAZD did quite well in the post immediately above this one.

Edited by subbie, : Tyop


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 150 of 638 (724753)
04-20-2014 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Ed67
04-20-2014 11:20 AM


Re: DNA evolves
Ed67 writes:

the blueprints found in the DNA molecule.

Ah yes, the ever so popular and yet terribly misleading DNA as a blueprint analogy.

A blueprint specifies every single dimension and every single detail of a building, from height to floor spacing to wiring and plumbing. DNA doesn't actually specify very much at all. That's not how it functions. It in fact does NOT proscribe every single detail of what an organism is going to look like and does not contain detailed instructions about how to create an organism.

DNA is a wondrous molecule and there is a great deal to marvel at, there's really no need to rely on claims about it that are false.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 152 of 638 (724755)
04-20-2014 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Ed67
04-20-2014 12:04 PM


Re: DNA evolves
Ed67 writes:

So, you are introducing a new concept.

I am not introducing a new concept. I'm debunking the idea that you introduced, that of DNA as a blueprint.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 170 of 638 (724970)
04-23-2014 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Ed67
04-22-2014 9:15 PM


Re: DNA evolves
Ed67 writes:

By all means, debunk my idea of DNA as a 'blueprint'.

Others here are doing a marvelous job already, and you are ignoring their points. I have no reason to believe I'd be any more successful than they would. You are a troll.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 172 of 638 (724975)
04-23-2014 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Ed67
04-23-2014 10:10 AM


Re: So much for the Debunking
Ed67 writes:

Oooo, I hit a soft spot.

Thanks for that, I needed a good chuckle.

Edited by subbie, : Tyop


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 177 of 638 (724985)
04-23-2014 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by NoNukes
04-23-2014 10:52 AM


NoNukes writes:

...but I'm too polite to do that here.

I admire your restraint, sir.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 228 of 638 (725247)
04-25-2014 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Ed67
04-24-2014 11:55 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
You still have yet to explain why you keep citing James Watson to support your bizarre ideas that Watson himself says are only for the uneducated.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 247 of 638 (725338)
04-25-2014 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Ed67
04-25-2014 9:55 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Ed67 writes:

Where do you think I got those quotes from?

Well, I know you got one of them from James Watson, who thinks intelligent design is only for the uneducated. It's almost like you and Watson were using the word "code" in completely different ways.

Food for thought.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 250 of 638 (725342)
04-25-2014 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Ed67
04-25-2014 10:59 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
You keep quoting James Watson as if his comments support your position when he has explicitly rejected your position and you ask what's wrong with us.

Curious.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 252 of 638 (725344)
04-25-2014 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Ed67
04-25-2014 11:23 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Ed67 writes:

As i've established, Watson's factual findings support my position. His personal opinion is irrelevant.

I see. So your understanding of the implication of DNA is superior to that of one of the people who discovered its structure.

Curiouser.

Edited by subbie, : Tyop


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 254 of 638 (725356)
04-26-2014 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Ed67
04-26-2014 8:16 AM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Ed67 writes:

You're curiousest

The old "I know you are but what am I" retort. What's next, "I am rubber, you are glue?"


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 265 of 638 (725406)
04-26-2014 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Ed67
04-26-2014 9:34 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Ed67 writes:

I wasn't talking to you, turnip head.

So, you've moved on to the next chapter of the IDiot's playbook; try to get suspended so you run back to your sandbox full of other IDiots and tell them you got banned because we couldn't refute your arguments. How very unoriginal and transparent.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 267 of 638 (725408)
04-26-2014 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Ed67
04-26-2014 11:07 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
ED676 writes:

Is that an invitation, or a threat?

Neither. It's an observation.

I'd never invite anyone to leave. If/when I get tired of you, I'll just stop reading your verbal vomitus. And I don't have the authority to suspend or ban anyone, so I there'd be no point in my threatening to.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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