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Author Topic:   Is there a legitimate argument for design?
Dr Adequate
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Message 19 of 638 (713644)
12-15-2013 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by PlanManStan
12-13-2013 4:31 PM


Is there a legitimate scientific argument to made for ID?

No, but there's lots of really bad ones. That's nearly the same thing.


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Message 45 of 638 (720050)
02-19-2014 11:24 PM
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02-19-2014 11:02 PM


Re: For the last time
first of all .. you have to display the three elements of life .. matter / energy and ... xxx

I looked up xxx on the internet. Well, that was interesting.


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Message 48 of 638 (720053)
02-19-2014 11:35 PM
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02-19-2014 11:24 PM


Re: For the last time
To see how anyone does anything, hit the peek button at the bottom of their post, this shows you what they actually typed.

I shall answer your question about the "third element" when I understand it, I always thought the third element was lithium.


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Message 124 of 638 (724395)
04-16-2014 11:23 PM
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04-16-2014 10:57 PM


Re: I'll return in a few days inorder to maybe
If you agree with what he's saying, could you also translate it into English?

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Message 127 of 638 (724400)
04-17-2014 12:29 AM
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04-17-2014 12:00 AM


RE: Is there a legitimate argument for design?
Perhaps you should learn the difference between an argument and an assertion.

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Message 133 of 638 (724465)
04-17-2014 1:22 PM
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04-17-2014 2:38 AM


Sorry, I assumed the argument for the specified, precision code that is found in the DNA/RNA of even the simplest forms of life was already covered.
How can you guys honestly account for that happening in a completely non-intelligent way? There's more software packed into the nucleus of a cell than, well, I don't know. But lots.

What is needed is not an argument for the code, but an argument for an invisible man making the DNA by magic. This is where creationists seem to fall down.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 143 of 638 (724703)
04-19-2014 6:31 PM
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04-18-2014 9:12 AM


Complaining that we don't know the identity of some 'little man' and the nature of his 'magic' is a red herring and you should have gotten over using that argument in grade school.

I have in fact never used the imaginary argument that you attribute to me, not even in grade school.


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Message 155 of 638 (724776)
04-20-2014 5:34 PM
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04-20-2014 8:30 AM


Didn't they teach you about honesty in kindergarten?

I really can't remember. Now, why are you attributing to me an argument I never made, even going to the extent of adorning your dishonesty with things in quotation marks which I never wrote?

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 198 of 638 (725060)
04-23-2014 7:41 PM
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04-23-2014 7:29 PM


Re: Is There a Legitimate Argument for Design?
Your inability to follow even the simplest argument must be a great source of comfort to you.

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Message 205 of 638 (725086)
04-24-2014 10:04 AM
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04-24-2014 9:44 AM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
I have noticed before that you seem to have great difficulty following other people's arguments. This often means that your "replies" to their posts are not in fact replies to their posts.

Given that this is the case, perhaps you should find a hobby other than participating in discussions of things. Or at least they should be simpler things such as whether the cat sat on the mat and the conditions under which one can see Spot run.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 217 of 638 (725190)
04-24-2014 4:01 PM
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04-24-2014 3:39 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
But it's not extra, that's the point that ringo's trying to make. You couldn't, for example, remove the "information" in the DNA but leave the chemistry, or remove the chemistry but leave the "information".

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Message 218 of 638 (725191)
04-24-2014 4:02 PM
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04-24-2014 4:00 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
The CODE for building proteins necessary for life. In a molecule. Now you can't say that about salt.

But you could, if you, wanted to, and with equal justification, say that sodium chloride contains the "code" for building cubic crystals.


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Message 225 of 638 (725231)
04-24-2014 9:14 PM
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04-24-2014 7:33 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
Yes.

If you know that, perhaps you could talk less bollocks about this subject.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 304 of 638 (725570)
04-28-2014 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by mike the wiz
04-27-2014 11:36 AM


As for his claims that the design argument is false, it is not an argument that an eye is designed to see, it is a statement of scientific fact. You can take a course in anatomy, and they will show you the functions, and how destroying the function will lead to a pointless eye.

But that is not what "designed" means.

A thing is designed if someone designed it, if they thought about what they wanted it to do, and then thought about how it should be constructed in order to achieve that goal, and it was then brought it into being in line with their conclusions. This is design.


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Message 305 of 638 (725571)
04-28-2014 2:55 PM
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04-28-2014 1:56 PM


Nothing to say about the rest of it, there are either good reasons you have no way of knowing, or the Fall is the reason.

Aaaaand once again a creationist defends an obviously false hypothesis by festooning it with additional hypotheses designed to make it unfalsifiable.


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