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Author Topic:   Is there a legitimate argument for design?
Tanypteryx
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Message 263 of 638 (725400)
04-26-2014 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Ed67
04-26-2014 9:34 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
I wasn't talking to you, turnip head.

So, you finally admit you are an immature troll.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 371 of 638 (736705)
09-12-2014 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 367 by taiji2
09-12-2014 5:51 AM


Re: Welcome
My challenge to you is to show me anything in nature that doesn't reek of sophisticated design.

Hemorrhoids

Excretory system combined with sexual system

That's two.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 395 of 638 (736755)
09-12-2014 5:52 PM
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09-12-2014 4:33 PM


Re: Welcome
If they can't be viewed as damaged good design (like a bent muffler on a car?), then they should indeed be viewed as reeking of sophisticated design.

You seem to be setting a pretty high threshold with your "reeking of sophisticated design." When we look closely at almost any biological system in an organism we can point out design flaws. Those flaws reek of un-sophisticated design.

What we see is mostly just barely good enough to survive and reproduce design. Evolution has to work with what it has so its design is whatever works is good enough.

Considering that the vast majority of the species that have lived on this planet are extinct, their design clearly does not reek of sophisticated design. Many of those extinct species left descendant species, so their just good enough design was passed on, but in modified form.

not my place to argue why the architect put the sewer so close to the playground.

I don't expect you to understand the mind of your sophisticated designer, I am just pointing out an example of less than sophisticated design, which is what you asked for.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 398 of 638 (736758)
09-12-2014 6:13 PM
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09-12-2014 5:31 PM


Re: Welcome
But you need to make it good. Something exhibiting total chaos with nothing that could be mistaken for design down to the subatomic level would be a good one to start with.

Good one. So basically you are saying that everything with any order to it is designed? And anything that occurred naturally without design will exhibit total chaos? Way to stack the deck.

I'm not a particle physicist, but I thought everything at the subatomic level was chaotic.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 579 of 638 (737208)
09-19-2014 2:06 PM
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09-19-2014 1:00 PM


Re: Current Summary
Stile writes:

Evidence of front loading from a designer would be if every organism could 'turn on' the new abilities whenever they were needed.
But that doesn't happen. There's always a whack of them that die. In fact, most of them die. What's the number? 99.999% of all species ever are now extinct? That's not front-loaded design at work.

WOW!

Stile, this is the best refutation of front-loading and ID I have ever seen, simple and obvious, well done.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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